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Sure. But you can't buy them. You can only get them if you sign up for their monthly service, "Nintendo Switch Online." And you can't have all of them. You can

Sure. But you can't buy them. You can only get them if you sign up for their monthly service, "Nintendo Switch Online." And you can't have all of them. You can only get the N64 games if you sign up for the separately monthly. "Expansion Pack" service. And you can't play them on multiple profiles. Your son can only play Mario 64 on his profile if you sign up for the "Nintendo Switch Online + Expansion Pack + Family Pack" subscription, which is about $80 per year. It's so expensive because they bundled it with a bunch of other stuff (hooray now I can also play Switch games online and I have access to the latest patch for Animal Crossing and some extra tracks for Mario Kart). But I just wanted to let my son Mario 64, and $80 per year is too much for that.

bduerst 5y ago
Pricing is a different complaint from hoarding copyrighted classics though. Sure, Nintendo isn't pricing their franchises at the price point you want, but in context to the discussion they're at least re-releasing what they can and making them accessible. (And if it was really about letting your son play Super Mario World, you can pay $8 and he can play it for three months)
- deadbeeves 5y ago
  It's not just the price, though. Selling, say, Super Mario Bros. for $5 would be bad enough, but Nintendo has been forcing people to buy the same games over and over again because there's no way to move them to newer consoles when they come out. (I could be wrong about this. If so, please correct me.)
  - bduerst 5y ago
    No you're right, but a lifetime license to software on all platforms is a losing proposition for any company, since there are non-trivial costs to re-releasing on new technology. Also it may be easy to link digital purchases right now, but proving past cartridge purchases would be very difficult.
  - philistine 5y ago
    They actually got rid of exactly that. You cannot buy Super Mario Bros. on Nintendo Switch. You can only subscribe to a service that contains Super Mario Bros.
- philistine 5y ago
  They are not releasing everything they can. They still cling to the idea of releasing games drip-feed. The apps for Switch do not have every single wholly owned Nintendo title. FAR from it.
  - bduerst 5y ago
    Which is pretty typical of a release process that requires updating and testing software on platforms that are ~30 years apart.
thaumasiotes 5y ago
> But I just wanted to let my son Mario 64, and $80 per year is too much for that. Nintendo obviously agrees, since they charge less than that for Mario 64 on the Switch. https://www.amazon.com/Super-Mario-3D-All-Stars-Nintendo-Switch/dp/B08G3MN6KP/ https://www.amazon.com/Super-Mario-3D-All-Stars-Nintendo-Swi... It even comes bundled with Galaxy.
- jimmaswell 5y ago
  People complained about this release - seems like some people will complain about anything short of free - but I thought it was a pretty good value.
  - thaumasiotes 5y ago
    Well, the obvious complaint is that it was time-limited. That was a ridiculous decision, and the complaining is richly deserved. I don't see any problem with the content, though.
  - squeaky-clean 5y ago
    The complaints were that the digital release was available for a limited time only. It's even more insulting that they're still selling the physical cartridge version of it. But if you want to own it digitally keeping the store page on their servers for more than 6 months was too difficult? I specifically didn't buy this because I don't want to normalize the trend of time-limited digital game sales. Shutting down your online store long after a product lifespan is over is understandable. But a 6 month purchase window is just trying to profit off of FOMO https://www.nintendo.com/whatsnew/detail/2021/super-mario-3d-all-stars-leaves-nintendo-eshop-on-march-31st/ https://www.nintendo.com/whatsnew/detail/2021/super-mario-3d...
    - thaumasiotes 5y ago
      > It's even more insulting that they're still selling the physical cartridge version of it. Are they still manufacturing the cartridges, or did it just sell really poorly?

bduerst 5y ago

Pricing is a different complaint from hoarding copyrighted classics though. Sure, Nintendo isn't pricing their franchises at the price point you want, but in context to the discussion they're at least re-releasing what they can and making them accessible. (And if it was really about letting your son play Super Mario World, you can pay $8 and he can play it for three months)

deadbeeves 5y ago
It's not just the price, though. Selling, say, Super Mario Bros. for $5 would be bad enough, but Nintendo has been forcing people to buy the same games over and over again because there's no way to move them to newer consoles when they come out. (I could be wrong about this. If so, please correct me.)
- bduerst 5y ago
  No you're right, but a lifetime license to software on all platforms is a losing proposition for any company, since there are non-trivial costs to re-releasing on new technology. Also it may be easy to link digital purchases right now, but proving past cartridge purchases would be very difficult.
- philistine 5y ago
  They actually got rid of exactly that. You cannot buy Super Mario Bros. on Nintendo Switch. You can only subscribe to a service that contains Super Mario Bros.
philistine 5y ago
They are not releasing everything they can. They still cling to the idea of releasing games drip-feed. The apps for Switch do not have every single wholly owned Nintendo title. FAR from it.
- bduerst 5y ago
  Which is pretty typical of a release process that requires updating and testing software on platforms that are ~30 years apart.

thaumasiotes 5y ago

> But I just wanted to let my son Mario 64, and $80 per year is too much for that. Nintendo obviously agrees, since they charge less than that for Mario 64 on the Switch. https://www.amazon.com/Super-Mario-3D-All-Stars-Nintendo-Switch/dp/B08G3MN6KP/ https://www.amazon.com/Super-Mario-3D-All-Stars-Nintendo-Swi... It even comes bundled with Galaxy.

jimmaswell 5y ago
People complained about this release - seems like some people will complain about anything short of free - but I thought it was a pretty good value.
- thaumasiotes 5y ago
  Well, the obvious complaint is that it was time-limited. That was a ridiculous decision, and the complaining is richly deserved. I don't see any problem with the content, though.
- squeaky-clean 5y ago
  The complaints were that the digital release was available for a limited time only. It's even more insulting that they're still selling the physical cartridge version of it. But if you want to own it digitally keeping the store page on their servers for more than 6 months was too difficult? I specifically didn't buy this because I don't want to normalize the trend of time-limited digital game sales. Shutting down your online store long after a product lifespan is over is understandable. But a 6 month purchase window is just trying to profit off of FOMO https://www.nintendo.com/whatsnew/detail/2021/super-mario-3d-all-stars-leaves-nintendo-eshop-on-march-31st/ https://www.nintendo.com/whatsnew/detail/2021/super-mario-3d...
  - thaumasiotes 5y ago
    > It's even more insulting that they're still selling the physical cartridge version of it. Are they still manufacturing the cartridges, or did it just sell really poorly?