> many people also mean "do people of all genders, upon hearing this term, feel included, rather than othered". Yes, but this is a vastly more fuzzy criterion

> many people also mean "do people of all genders, upon hearing this term, feel included, rather than othered". Yes, but this is a vastly more fuzzy criterion than the original one. What does "feeling included" mean? Who has the authority to declare how a group "feels" about something? Who even belongs to that group? E.g., it might very well be the case that australian women did feel included when the term "guys" was used, because that was what they grew up with.