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> The difference between the 11th and 12th gen Intel is big enough I don't want to spend the next three years regretting it. With the Framework though, the CPU

> The difference between the 11th and 12th gen Intel is big enough I don't want to spend the next three years regretting it. With the Framework though, the CPU (motherboard) is intended to be replaceable. There will likely be (assuming there isn't one already) a secondary market of individual parts.

wmf 5y ago
Buying an obsolete laptop now and upgrading it in a few months is not a good use of money though.
- delusional 5y ago
  It's also not a good use of the earths resources, which i think is part of the ethos of framework.
  - dymk 5y ago
    Electronic components are some of the most profitable materials to recycle. The whole "it's more green" thing is marketing fluff.
    - bogwog 5y ago
      Reduce > Reuse > Recycle Recycling is the worst of the three by far.
  - willismichael 5y ago
    Well, the framework hardware is much more likely to be used by somebody who can buy it secondhand, unlike a lot of laptops that are intentionally designed to be a pain to reuse/repair.
babypuncher 5y ago
When I buy a laptop with an upgrade path in mind, the hope is that I will do so in 2-3 years, not next week. Otherwise I am just spending a bunch of money on hardware that I will not actually use for very long. Alder Lake and Zen 3 have been out for a while now, so I do not think it is unreasonable to expect a brand new laptop to ship with either of them.
- ouEight12 5y ago
  > I do not think it is unreasonable to expect a brand new laptop to ship with either of them. For a Dell, HP, or other multinational conglomerate who gets new chipsets in advance from Intel and always has a dozen or more models on the never ending merry-go-round of 'hype the new, dump last seasons at Costco on the people who don't know any better', no, it's not unreasonable. For a small batch manufacturer who's been shipping laptops less then a year and is still effectively on their first model release? All in the middle of a pandemic induced supply chain fiasco? It kind of is.
  - babypuncher 5y ago
    Maybe for Alder Lake, but Zen 3 has been around for an eternity, and is already on the cusp of being succeeded by Zen 4. Zen 3 is also so much better than 11th gen Intel that I struggle to understand why any manufacturer would have chosen Intel for their new flagship laptop in 2021.
    - yata69420 5y ago
      This is spot on. If Framework offered Zen 3 and 120hz+ display, I would absolutely buy one immediately.
      - Sebb767 5y ago
        On any thread on framework, comments in the form of "I'd buy one right now if it had X" are probably the most common, for quite a few X ;-) That being said, I'm also waiting for an AMD CPU. Given that it is the most requested feature, though, I assume they'll be there in the next iteration.
    - csdreamer7 5y ago
      > Maybe for Alder Lake, but Zen 3 has been around for an eternity 5000 series Zen 3 has on desktop. Zen 3 based 6000 series laptops with RDNA2 graphics are still newish and a little difficult to get. Even from tier-1 brands. AMD was also a little late to getting Linux support into these computers. 5.17 (released a few weeks ago and is what Fedora 36 will release with) just got support into the Ethernet driver. https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Linux-5.17-AMD-YC-Ethernet https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Linux-5.... Mobile Alder Lake just launched (in Feb?). Don't confuse the desktop with the mobile variants-especially when you are considering driver support.

wmf 5y ago

Buying an obsolete laptop now and upgrading it in a few months is not a good use of money though.

delusional 5y ago
It's also not a good use of the earths resources, which i think is part of the ethos of framework.
- dymk 5y ago
  Electronic components are some of the most profitable materials to recycle. The whole "it's more green" thing is marketing fluff.
  - bogwog 5y ago
    Reduce > Reuse > Recycle Recycling is the worst of the three by far.
- willismichael 5y ago
  Well, the framework hardware is much more likely to be used by somebody who can buy it secondhand, unlike a lot of laptops that are intentionally designed to be a pain to reuse/repair.

babypuncher 5y ago

When I buy a laptop with an upgrade path in mind, the hope is that I will do so in 2-3 years, not next week. Otherwise I am just spending a bunch of money on hardware that I will not actually use for very long. Alder Lake and Zen 3 have been out for a while now, so I do not think it is unreasonable to expect a brand new laptop to ship with either of them.

ouEight12 5y ago
> I do not think it is unreasonable to expect a brand new laptop to ship with either of them. For a Dell, HP, or other multinational conglomerate who gets new chipsets in advance from Intel and always has a dozen or more models on the never ending merry-go-round of 'hype the new, dump last seasons at Costco on the people who don't know any better', no, it's not unreasonable. For a small batch manufacturer who's been shipping laptops less then a year and is still effectively on their first model release? All in the middle of a pandemic induced supply chain fiasco? It kind of is.
- babypuncher 5y ago
  Maybe for Alder Lake, but Zen 3 has been around for an eternity, and is already on the cusp of being succeeded by Zen 4. Zen 3 is also so much better than 11th gen Intel that I struggle to understand why any manufacturer would have chosen Intel for their new flagship laptop in 2021.
  - yata69420 5y ago
    This is spot on. If Framework offered Zen 3 and 120hz+ display, I would absolutely buy one immediately.
    - Sebb767 5y ago
      On any thread on framework, comments in the form of "I'd buy one right now if it had X" are probably the most common, for quite a few X ;-) That being said, I'm also waiting for an AMD CPU. Given that it is the most requested feature, though, I assume they'll be there in the next iteration.
  - csdreamer7 5y ago
    > Maybe for Alder Lake, but Zen 3 has been around for an eternity 5000 series Zen 3 has on desktop. Zen 3 based 6000 series laptops with RDNA2 graphics are still newish and a little difficult to get. Even from tier-1 brands. AMD was also a little late to getting Linux support into these computers. 5.17 (released a few weeks ago and is what Fedora 36 will release with) just got support into the Ethernet driver. https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Linux-5.17-AMD-YC-Ethernet https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Linux-5.... Mobile Alder Lake just launched (in Feb?). Don't confuse the desktop with the mobile variants-especially when you are considering driver support.