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Just to chip in with why I personally refuse to use Chrome: -A window begins to be unwieldy at 15 tabs, and is impossible to navigate at 20 -Occasional Flash

Just to chip in with why I personally refuse to use Chrome: -A window begins to be unwieldy at 15 tabs, and is impossible to navigate at 20 -Occasional Flash problems render the browser utterly useless for several minutes before it asks whether I am interested in continuing what I was doing -Not visiting a tab for a while results in a ridiculous wait for it to load My screen size makes having multiple rows of tabs simply take up too much screen space. Honestly, I just haven't had any complaints with firefox (beta channel) apart from the recent interesting decision to change dragging tabs to bookmarks to require hitting ctrl - https://groups.google.com/group/mozilla.dev.apps.firefox/browse_thread/thread/322ee2ffce987fe0/99293c9c10e592a5?pli=1 https://groups.google.com/group/mozilla.dev.apps.firefox/bro...

jsolson 15y ago
> -A window begins to be unwieldy at 15 tabs, and is impossible to navigate at 20 Interesting. This is actually one of the big reasons why I prefer Chrome over FF. FF does the whole "make my tab bar scroll" while Chrome resizes the tabs to fit. What about Chrome's implementation do you find more unwieldy than Firefox's?
- kissickas 15y ago
  I don't know about socillion, but Tree Style Tabs is one of the reasons I won't stop using Firefox. https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/tree-style-tab/ https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/tree-style-ta...
  - epscylonb 15y ago
    Agreed, and I believe the Chromium guys have been asked for this feature and said they won't do it. I don't think it is possible with chrome extensions either.
    - tadfisher 15y ago
      You can, however, get tabs in a sidebar, which works well for n <= 30 or so. about:flags -> Enable Side Tabs
- jbondeson 15y ago
  Tab Groups. For those of us who do lots of research and like to keep it organized it's a godsend. Right now I have 159 tabs open -- I was curious so I decided to count. If I tried that in Chrome I'm pretty sure it would crash and burn hard, not to mention there would be no ability to keep it organized. I know there are some research workflows that would allow me to do that as well, but I haven't really taken the time to dive into them after I found tab groups.
  - socillion 15y ago
    I'd like to take a moment to recognize how awful the tab groups UI is. Hmm, new "Tab Groups" button. Wonder what it does! http://i.imgur.com/x36TA.png http://i.imgur.com/x36TA.png The only way to figure out that UI, including how to exit back to the browser, is through trial and error or Google. At least tabs/tab groups closed in there (seriously, who adds an "x" to an undo changes button that permanently deletes it instead?) go in "recently closed tabs" now!
- socillion 15y ago
  http://i.imgur.com/WwnW8.png http://i.imgur.com/WwnW8.png - a screenshot of Chrome with 20 tabs open. As you can see, determining what each tab contains is rather hard. I agree that scrolling the tab bar (using mousewheel, the UI buttons for that purpose are utterly useless) in Firefox is extremely unwieldy, so the only time I use it is to get to tabs I have at either end. "List all tabs" is an amazing feature, IMO.
- gizzlon 15y ago
  "FF does the whole "make my tab bar scroll"" FYI, you can use the mousewheel to scroll the tabs.. without, it would be horrible
colanderman 15y ago
You might like Opera. It handles dozens of tabs beautifully, and you can group tabs into collapsible groups so you can both (a) navigate them and (b) see them all on the screen at once without having to scroll.
- skrebbel 15y ago
  And put the tab bar on the left, making keeping an overview of 30+ ungrouped tabs no problemo!
  - SkyMarshal 15y ago
    Or hide tabs and the tab bar altogether and use CTRL-TAB to toggle through them, like ALT-TAB does windows. Screen real-estate galore: http://i.imgur.com/XuMkx.png http://i.imgur.com/XuMkx.png
    - skrebbel 15y ago
      Hm. That's pretty cool.
    - colanderman 15y ago
      You don't turn your status bar off? ;)
      - SkyMarshal 15y ago
        Haha, that was actually my first thought too when I looked at my pic, which I took months ago. I do now :)
    - colanderman 15y ago
      You don't turn your status bar off? ;)

jsolson 15y ago

> -A window begins to be unwieldy at 15 tabs, and is impossible to navigate at 20 Interesting. This is actually one of the big reasons why I prefer Chrome over FF. FF does the whole "make my tab bar scroll" while Chrome resizes the tabs to fit. What about Chrome's implementation do you find more unwieldy than Firefox's?

kissickas 15y ago
I don't know about socillion, but Tree Style Tabs is one of the reasons I won't stop using Firefox. https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/tree-style-tab/ https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/tree-style-ta...
- epscylonb 15y ago
  Agreed, and I believe the Chromium guys have been asked for this feature and said they won't do it. I don't think it is possible with chrome extensions either.
  - tadfisher 15y ago
    You can, however, get tabs in a sidebar, which works well for n <= 30 or so. about:flags -> Enable Side Tabs
jbondeson 15y ago
Tab Groups. For those of us who do lots of research and like to keep it organized it's a godsend. Right now I have 159 tabs open -- I was curious so I decided to count. If I tried that in Chrome I'm pretty sure it would crash and burn hard, not to mention there would be no ability to keep it organized. I know there are some research workflows that would allow me to do that as well, but I haven't really taken the time to dive into them after I found tab groups.
- socillion 15y ago
  I'd like to take a moment to recognize how awful the tab groups UI is. Hmm, new "Tab Groups" button. Wonder what it does! http://i.imgur.com/x36TA.png http://i.imgur.com/x36TA.png The only way to figure out that UI, including how to exit back to the browser, is through trial and error or Google. At least tabs/tab groups closed in there (seriously, who adds an "x" to an undo changes button that permanently deletes it instead?) go in "recently closed tabs" now!
socillion 15y ago
http://i.imgur.com/WwnW8.png http://i.imgur.com/WwnW8.png - a screenshot of Chrome with 20 tabs open. As you can see, determining what each tab contains is rather hard. I agree that scrolling the tab bar (using mousewheel, the UI buttons for that purpose are utterly useless) in Firefox is extremely unwieldy, so the only time I use it is to get to tabs I have at either end. "List all tabs" is an amazing feature, IMO.
gizzlon 15y ago
"FF does the whole "make my tab bar scroll"" FYI, you can use the mousewheel to scroll the tabs.. without, it would be horrible

colanderman 15y ago

You might like Opera. It handles dozens of tabs beautifully, and you can group tabs into collapsible groups so you can both (a) navigate them and (b) see them all on the screen at once without having to scroll.

skrebbel 15y ago
And put the tab bar on the left, making keeping an overview of 30+ ungrouped tabs no problemo!
- SkyMarshal 15y ago
  Or hide tabs and the tab bar altogether and use CTRL-TAB to toggle through them, like ALT-TAB does windows. Screen real-estate galore: http://i.imgur.com/XuMkx.png http://i.imgur.com/XuMkx.png
  - skrebbel 15y ago
    Hm. That's pretty cool.
  - colanderman 15y ago
    You don't turn your status bar off? ;)
    - SkyMarshal 15y ago
      Haha, that was actually my first thought too when I looked at my pic, which I took months ago. I do now :)
  - colanderman 15y ago
    You don't turn your status bar off? ;)