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This does not play to the anti-college sentiment on this site. But there is good evidence that secondary and university education is a large part of a nation's

by Zigurd 5y ago

This does not play to the anti-college sentiment on this site. But there is good evidence that secondary and university education is a large part of a nation's ability to support a strong economy. China, for example, is limited by quality education being concentrated in first-tier cities and substandard education being widespread in the countryside: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2019-05-03/poorly-educated-workers-threaten-china-s-growth https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2019-05-03/poorly-ed... That's not how most people think of China. The questioning of the value of university education also coincides with an ageing cohort of men with university educations they got when men dominated university attendance being replaced by women who now dominate university graduating classes. Hmmm.

whimsicalism 5y ago
> That's not how most people think of China. Really? It's exactly how I think of education in China. Indeed, this is the case for most of the developing world, the only difference being that their Tier 1 cities are much larger and the education quality better (based on my experience interviewing people, students from top (Tsinghua, other C9) universities in China are basically equivalent with the Ivies + Stanford + MIT)
- polygamous_bat 5y ago
  > based on my experience interviewing people, students from top (Tsinghua, other C9) universities in China are basically equivalent with the Ivies + Stanford + MIT Your experience may be further confounded by the fact that you are only interviewing people who emigrated out of China. I am not an expert in this, but from some of my friends' experience of going to college in South Asia, I have seen that only the top students would be able to make it "out of there."
  - whimsicalism 5y ago
    Oh yeah, I'm not claiming that there is no selection/emigration bias there. I think it is probably even stronger for China than India.

by Zigurd 5y ago

whimsicalism 5y ago

> That's not how most people think of China. Really? It's exactly how I think of education in China. Indeed, this is the case for most of the developing world, the only difference being that their Tier 1 cities are much larger and the education quality better (based on my experience interviewing people, students from top (Tsinghua, other C9) universities in China are basically equivalent with the Ivies + Stanford + MIT)

polygamous_bat 5y ago
> based on my experience interviewing people, students from top (Tsinghua, other C9) universities in China are basically equivalent with the Ivies + Stanford + MIT Your experience may be further confounded by the fact that you are only interviewing people who emigrated out of China. I am not an expert in this, but from some of my friends' experience of going to college in South Asia, I have seen that only the top students would be able to make it "out of there."
- whimsicalism 5y ago
  Oh yeah, I'm not claiming that there is no selection/emigration bias there. I think it is probably even stronger for China than India.