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Because there's no point in burning your cloud storage, Apple bandwidth and prolong backup times when those articles can be easly re-downloaded from Instapapers

by Mavrik 15y ago

Because there's no point in burning your cloud storage, Apple bandwidth and prolong backup times when those articles can be easly re-downloaded from Instapapers servers on iPad. Same result, without long backup times, Apple server bandwidth usage and your iCloud storage usage.

pohl 15y ago
...when those articles can be easly re-downloaded from Instapapers servers... My premise, in point #2, is that this actually isn't the case with respect to Instapaper's raison d'être. In fact, that's sort of the premise behind much of Marco's post too.
masklinn 15y ago
> when those articles can be easly re-downloaded from Instapapers servers on iPad. That's kind-of the issue though, is it not? One of Instapaper's strength is that it provides for reading in a nicely formatted and offline way. You don't need a connection to go through your IP stack, unless iOS has decided to clean out everything.
- sbov 15y ago
  You're quoting that out of context. His point is, if you back it up to iCloud, to get any use out of the backup, you need to be online. Therefore it's a waste, because in that scenario, you can just download it from Instapaper anyways.
mynegation 15y ago
Why there is no point in burning Apple's bandwidth, but there is a point in burning Instapaper servers' bandwidth? I don't care how Apple (or Marco) solves the problem, but I sure do not want to lose Instapaper articles at random.
- modeless 15y ago
  It's not just Apple's bandwidth; it's users' iCloud storage, which costs users money.
  - statictype 15y ago
    The user can always choose not to sync Instapaper if he feels its costing him storage (though in reality, I have to wonder how much storage simple articles with occasional images could really take). I think that has to be the best solution. It's far better to just have everything sync to iCloud and let the user choose to disable it rather than having Instapaper's primary core functionality - being able to read articles offline - not work properly.
  - dagw 15y ago
    Also don't forget that many people in world still (for whatever reason) don't have unlimited data plans. So if everything that get's downloaded also gets uploaded back to iCloud, then you've effectively halved their bandwidth quota.
    - pohl 15y ago
      I think iCloud syncing only happens over wifi.
esutton 15y ago
So really what would make everyone is a type of Selective_Sync, i.e. there are three file types. those that are ephemeral and can be deleted. those that are ephemeral but should only deleted if given permission And those that need to be backed up.

by Mavrik 15y ago

pohl 15y ago

...when those articles can be easly re-downloaded from Instapapers servers... My premise, in point #2, is that this actually isn't the case with respect to Instapaper's raison d'être. In fact, that's sort of the premise behind much of Marco's post too.

masklinn 15y ago

> when those articles can be easly re-downloaded from Instapapers servers on iPad. That's kind-of the issue though, is it not? One of Instapaper's strength is that it provides for reading in a nicely formatted and offline way. You don't need a connection to go through your IP stack, unless iOS has decided to clean out everything.

sbov 15y ago
You're quoting that out of context. His point is, if you back it up to iCloud, to get any use out of the backup, you need to be online. Therefore it's a waste, because in that scenario, you can just download it from Instapaper anyways.

mynegation 15y ago

Why there is no point in burning Apple's bandwidth, but there is a point in burning Instapaper servers' bandwidth? I don't care how Apple (or Marco) solves the problem, but I sure do not want to lose Instapaper articles at random.

modeless 15y ago
It's not just Apple's bandwidth; it's users' iCloud storage, which costs users money.
- statictype 15y ago
  The user can always choose not to sync Instapaper if he feels its costing him storage (though in reality, I have to wonder how much storage simple articles with occasional images could really take). I think that has to be the best solution. It's far better to just have everything sync to iCloud and let the user choose to disable it rather than having Instapaper's primary core functionality - being able to read articles offline - not work properly.
- dagw 15y ago
  Also don't forget that many people in world still (for whatever reason) don't have unlimited data plans. So if everything that get's downloaded also gets uploaded back to iCloud, then you've effectively halved their bandwidth quota.
  - pohl 15y ago
    I think iCloud syncing only happens over wifi.

esutton 15y ago

So really what would make everyone is a type of Selective_Sync, i.e. there are three file types. those that are ephemeral and can be deleted. those that are ephemeral but should only deleted if given permission And those that need to be backed up.