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So, I don't notice much bad with FF, so I don't know what I'm missing. What am I missing? What makes FF terrible and Chrome goodly?

diolpah 15y ago
This is Hacker News, where everything anointed by Larry and Sergei is to be revered and worshiped by all, forever and ever, amen.
- socillion 15y ago
  > Account created after prior account( haploid )was inexplicably silent-banned. A bit more civility might help you avoid a repeat of that.
  - diolpah 15y ago
    My understanding of the "civility" standard is whether I would say it in person. My comments do pass this test.
    - philwelch 15y ago
      That's more of a guideline aimed at people who aren't assholes in person.
      - diolpah 15y ago
        Brilliant judgement you've made of someone you don't know. I'm sure this particular instance of incivility will garner you plenty of upvotes, however.
        mentat 15y ago
        Because people disagree with whether your approach is acceptable in any case. It's not that hard to understand.
        philwelch 15y ago
        I'm just taking what you said at face value. If you come on HN, act like an asshole, and go on to say you'd behave the same in person, then the inference is pretty obvious, isn't it?
socillion 15y ago
Just to chip in with why I personally refuse to use Chrome: -A window begins to be unwieldy at 15 tabs, and is impossible to navigate at 20 -Occasional Flash problems render the browser utterly useless for several minutes before it asks whether I am interested in continuing what I was doing -Not visiting a tab for a while results in a ridiculous wait for it to load My screen size makes having multiple rows of tabs simply take up too much screen space. Honestly, I just haven't had any complaints with firefox (beta channel) apart from the recent interesting decision to change dragging tabs to bookmarks to require hitting ctrl - https://groups.google.com/group/mozilla.dev.apps.firefox/browse_thread/thread/322ee2ffce987fe0/99293c9c10e592a5?pli=1 https://groups.google.com/group/mozilla.dev.apps.firefox/bro...
- jsolson 15y ago
  > -A window begins to be unwieldy at 15 tabs, and is impossible to navigate at 20 Interesting. This is actually one of the big reasons why I prefer Chrome over FF. FF does the whole "make my tab bar scroll" while Chrome resizes the tabs to fit. What about Chrome's implementation do you find more unwieldy than Firefox's?
  - kissickas 15y ago
    I don't know about socillion, but Tree Style Tabs is one of the reasons I won't stop using Firefox. https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/tree-style-tab/ https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/tree-style-ta...
    - epscylonb 15y ago
      Agreed, and I believe the Chromium guys have been asked for this feature and said they won't do it. I don't think it is possible with chrome extensions either.
      - tadfisher 15y ago
        You can, however, get tabs in a sidebar, which works well for n <= 30 or so. about:flags -> Enable Side Tabs
thaumaturgy 15y ago
It's not so much that Chrome is great, as that it doesn't seem to have the faults that Firefox does. - The "hanging" issue: I literally just replaced a laptop because of this one. On my older laptop, Firefox became unusable, and got worse with each version, not better. I didn't have very many tabs open (~10?), and after about 6 hours or so, hovering the pointer over a link would give me the rainbow pinwheel, clicking a link would give me a rainbow pinwheel, opening a tab would give me a rainbow pinwheel, etc. This stalling issue has been widely reported by a huge number of people, and Firefox has been doing a lot of work on their memory management to fix it, but it doesn't seem to be helping. My girlfriend's newer Windows workstation had the same problem, but to a slightly lesser degree. In her case, Firefox became unusable after a day or two. People often point to extensions, but the only extension she had installed was AB+. - Crashing. Just yesterday we had a client complaint where, according to them, about half the time they would go to launch Firefox, they would get the message that it was already running but not responding. We've had similar complaints from other clients, including a business client. What makes this frustrating for me is that, like the OP, I'm pretty sure I remember when Firefox didn't have these problems. It smells like at some point they introduced some kind of terrible architectural change in the browser, and rather than address that directly, they keep trying to patch around it. It's possible that the very newest version fixes all of these things. We made the decision to start switching off of it almost a month ago, after Mozilla firmly decided to go the frequent background updates route (and without also supporting older versions). If we have to choose to recommend one of two browsers, both of which do frequent updates, then we'll go with the one that seems to give people fewer headaches.
- Osmose 15y ago
  Not to ignore your other points, but there is now a proposal being worked on for having an extended support edition for business deployments: https://wiki.mozilla.org/Enterprise/Firefox/ExtendedSupport:Proposal https://wiki.mozilla.org/Enterprise/Firefox/ExtendedSupport:...
zobzu 15y ago
hitting on mozilla is trendy. thats all there is to it. its funny to read how the horrible firefox is faster than chrome and more efficient in many ares too. like type inference. like memory usage. like 2d acceleration. in fact 99% judge ff on startup time. its mostly due to the ui toolkit xul.

diolpah 15y ago

This is Hacker News, where everything anointed by Larry and Sergei is to be revered and worshiped by all, forever and ever, amen.

socillion 15y ago
> Account created after prior account( haploid )was inexplicably silent-banned. A bit more civility might help you avoid a repeat of that.
- diolpah 15y ago
  My understanding of the "civility" standard is whether I would say it in person. My comments do pass this test.
  - philwelch 15y ago
    That's more of a guideline aimed at people who aren't assholes in person.
    - diolpah 15y ago
      Brilliant judgement you've made of someone you don't know. I'm sure this particular instance of incivility will garner you plenty of upvotes, however.
      - mentat 15y ago
        Because people disagree with whether your approach is acceptable in any case. It's not that hard to understand.
      - philwelch 15y ago
        I'm just taking what you said at face value. If you come on HN, act like an asshole, and go on to say you'd behave the same in person, then the inference is pretty obvious, isn't it?

socillion 15y ago

Just to chip in with why I personally refuse to use Chrome: -A window begins to be unwieldy at 15 tabs, and is impossible to navigate at 20 -Occasional Flash problems render the browser utterly useless for several minutes before it asks whether I am interested in continuing what I was doing -Not visiting a tab for a while results in a ridiculous wait for it to load My screen size makes having multiple rows of tabs simply take up too much screen space. Honestly, I just haven't had any complaints with firefox (beta channel) apart from the recent interesting decision to change dragging tabs to bookmarks to require hitting ctrl - https://groups.google.com/group/mozilla.dev.apps.firefox/browse_thread/thread/322ee2ffce987fe0/99293c9c10e592a5?pli=1 https://groups.google.com/group/mozilla.dev.apps.firefox/bro...

jsolson 15y ago
> -A window begins to be unwieldy at 15 tabs, and is impossible to navigate at 20 Interesting. This is actually one of the big reasons why I prefer Chrome over FF. FF does the whole "make my tab bar scroll" while Chrome resizes the tabs to fit. What about Chrome's implementation do you find more unwieldy than Firefox's?
- kissickas 15y ago
  I don't know about socillion, but Tree Style Tabs is one of the reasons I won't stop using Firefox. https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/tree-style-tab/ https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/tree-style-ta...
  - epscylonb 15y ago
    Agreed, and I believe the Chromium guys have been asked for this feature and said they won't do it. I don't think it is possible with chrome extensions either.
    - tadfisher 15y ago
      You can, however, get tabs in a sidebar, which works well for n <= 30 or so. about:flags -> Enable Side Tabs

thaumaturgy 15y ago

It's not so much that Chrome is great, as that it doesn't seem to have the faults that Firefox does. - The "hanging" issue: I literally just replaced a laptop because of this one. On my older laptop, Firefox became unusable, and got worse with each version, not better. I didn't have very many tabs open (~10?), and after about 6 hours or so, hovering the pointer over a link would give me the rainbow pinwheel, clicking a link would give me a rainbow pinwheel, opening a tab would give me a rainbow pinwheel, etc. This stalling issue has been widely reported by a huge number of people, and Firefox has been doing a lot of work on their memory management to fix it, but it doesn't seem to be helping. My girlfriend's newer Windows workstation had the same problem, but to a slightly lesser degree. In her case, Firefox became unusable after a day or two. People often point to extensions, but the only extension she had installed was AB+. - Crashing. Just yesterday we had a client complaint where, according to them, about half the time they would go to launch Firefox, they would get the message that it was already running but not responding. We've had similar complaints from other clients, including a business client. What makes this frustrating for me is that, like the OP, I'm pretty sure I remember when Firefox didn't have these problems. It smells like at some point they introduced some kind of terrible architectural change in the browser, and rather than address that directly, they keep trying to patch around it. It's possible that the very newest version fixes all of these things. We made the decision to start switching off of it almost a month ago, after Mozilla firmly decided to go the frequent background updates route (and without also supporting older versions). If we have to choose to recommend one of two browsers, both of which do frequent updates, then we'll go with the one that seems to give people fewer headaches.

Osmose 15y ago
Not to ignore your other points, but there is now a proposal being worked on for having an extended support edition for business deployments: https://wiki.mozilla.org/Enterprise/Firefox/ExtendedSupport:Proposal https://wiki.mozilla.org/Enterprise/Firefox/ExtendedSupport:...

zobzu 15y ago

hitting on mozilla is trendy. thats all there is to it. its funny to read how the horrible firefox is faster than chrome and more efficient in many ares too. like type inference. like memory usage. like 2d acceleration. in fact 99% judge ff on startup time. its mostly due to the ui toolkit xul.