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Yet it remains completely necessary to make it to the interview so that you can be hired and paid to do a lot of that work. Including interesting, desirable and

Yet it remains completely necessary to make it to the interview so that you can be hired and paid to do a lot of that work. Including interesting, desirable and rewarding work.

joshstrange 5y ago
This just isn't true at all. After my second job I stopped even listing college on my resume and my first two jobs didn't care that I never graduated. I'm sure it depends on the industry but in tech the companies that are worth working for care about what you can do, not where you went to school or if you graduated.
platistocrates 5y ago
Speaking from experience... Degrees are not at all required in software engineering. Passion & skill are sought after in early career developers, and years of experience will suffice in more advanced engineers.
- danenania 5y ago
  I'd say degrees from prestigious universities can still help you even in software engineering, even after experience should take precedence. My sense is that's mainly true at companies where the founders/execs have prestigious degrees, and therefore put a lot of stock in them. I think it's (unfortunately) quite helpful to these companies too, since appearances matter a lot. Telling a non-technical investor, prospect, or journalist "all our engineers are from Stanford/MIT/etc." will often impress them regardless of whether any of those engineers have a clue (something a non-technical person has no way to really evaluate). But unless it's a household name university, I think you're right that it no longer matters at all.
  - hooande 5y ago
    It's also worth noting that someone who graduated from Stanford/MIT/etc has a lot of good options, and it's a huge vote of confidence that they chose to work for your startup
ryanmcbride 5y ago
In a lot of fields that's changing, but not in nearly as many fields as it should be. Outside of academic fields a training program could provide just as much, if not more knowledge needed for a specific career as a college. Especially with college requirements including a lot of things not necessary for the specific degree being sought. Obviously there's many exceptions. I don't want a doctor that just took a training course, but my doctor not taking american history or calculus? Not a deal breaker at all.
recuter 5y ago
I don't know how or why but nobody ever asked me once, they just sort of assumed. I'm guessing this isn't the common experience.
pasquinelli 5y ago
this is kind of a tangent, but you know what makes work really interesting, desirable, and rewarding? it's not anything about the work itself, it's that it actually, truly needs doing.

Yet it remains completely necessary to make it to the interview so that you can be hired and paid to do a lot of that work. Including interesting, desirable and rewarding work.

joshstrange 5y ago

This just isn't true at all. After my second job I stopped even listing college on my resume and my first two jobs didn't care that I never graduated. I'm sure it depends on the industry but in tech the companies that are worth working for care about what you can do, not where you went to school or if you graduated.

platistocrates 5y ago

Speaking from experience... Degrees are not at all required in software engineering. Passion & skill are sought after in early career developers, and years of experience will suffice in more advanced engineers.

danenania 5y ago
I'd say degrees from prestigious universities can still help you even in software engineering, even after experience should take precedence. My sense is that's mainly true at companies where the founders/execs have prestigious degrees, and therefore put a lot of stock in them. I think it's (unfortunately) quite helpful to these companies too, since appearances matter a lot. Telling a non-technical investor, prospect, or journalist "all our engineers are from Stanford/MIT/etc." will often impress them regardless of whether any of those engineers have a clue (something a non-technical person has no way to really evaluate). But unless it's a household name university, I think you're right that it no longer matters at all.
- hooande 5y ago
  It's also worth noting that someone who graduated from Stanford/MIT/etc has a lot of good options, and it's a huge vote of confidence that they chose to work for your startup

ryanmcbride 5y ago

In a lot of fields that's changing, but not in nearly as many fields as it should be. Outside of academic fields a training program could provide just as much, if not more knowledge needed for a specific career as a college. Especially with college requirements including a lot of things not necessary for the specific degree being sought. Obviously there's many exceptions. I don't want a doctor that just took a training course, but my doctor not taking american history or calculus? Not a deal breaker at all.

recuter 5y ago

I don't know how or why but nobody ever asked me once, they just sort of assumed. I'm guessing this isn't the common experience.

pasquinelli 5y ago

this is kind of a tangent, but you know what makes work really interesting, desirable, and rewarding? it's not anything about the work itself, it's that it actually, truly needs doing.