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The problem here is that you have not proven in any way that the Second Amendment's use of "well-regulated" does not refer to "government law" or "some other ty

by djur 5y ago

The problem here is that you have not proven in any way that the Second Amendment's use of "well-regulated" does not refer to "government law" or "some other type of control". If you're suggesting that they expected militias to be self-organizing, you need to present at least one instance of a self-organized militia being referred to as "regulated". The evidence you've presented so far makes it clear that contemporary thought understood militias to be organized by law. If you could find a single example of a militia being "regulated" by anything other than a legal mandate, I have to assume you'd have presented it by now. 1 gazillion points to Calvin; game over.

thaumasiotes 5y ago
> The problem here is that you have not proven in any way that the Second Amendment's use of "well-regulated" does not refer to "government law" or "some other type of control". You're really set on ignoring the George Clinton speech, huh? The second amendment begins like this: > A well-regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state... This usage is obsolete; translated into modern English, the same clause would read: > A well-functioning militia being necessary to the security of a free state... And it is obvious that this does not refer to the existence of laws, because that's just not part of the meaning of the word. What do you think needs to be proven? Why? Anyway, here is another letter from George Washington: https://founders.archives.gov/documents/Washington/03-07-02-0009 https://founders.archives.gov/documents/Washington/03-07-02-... > I am unacquainted with the Extent of Your Works and consequently of the Number of Men necessary to man them. If your present Numbers should be insufficient for that purpose, I would then by all Means advise Your making up the Deficiency out of the best regulated and equipped Militia. [4] > [4] The draft reads: “out of the best regulated Militia that could be got.” This is pretty explicit: George Washington anticipates that Philip Schuyler may not have enough troops under his command to achieve his objectives. He recommends mustering troops from the local militia. But he is more detailed than that: he envisions ranking the local militia along a scale of how "regulated" they are, and choosing the men who are best regulated. All of these men are subject to the same laws, but they differ in their degree of regulation.

by djur 5y ago

thaumasiotes 5y ago

> The problem here is that you have not proven in any way that the Second Amendment's use of "well-regulated" does not refer to "government law" or "some other type of control". You're really set on ignoring the George Clinton speech, huh? The second amendment begins like this: > A well-regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state... This usage is obsolete; translated into modern English, the same clause would read: > A well-functioning militia being necessary to the security of a free state... And it is obvious that this does not refer to the existence of laws, because that's just not part of the meaning of the word. What do you think needs to be proven? Why? Anyway, here is another letter from George Washington: https://founders.archives.gov/documents/Washington/03-07-02-0009 https://founders.archives.gov/documents/Washington/03-07-02-... > I am unacquainted with the Extent of Your Works and consequently of the Number of Men necessary to man them. If your present Numbers should be insufficient for that purpose, I would then by all Means advise Your making up the Deficiency out of the best regulated and equipped Militia. [4] > [4] The draft reads: “out of the best regulated Militia that could be got.” This is pretty explicit: George Washington anticipates that Philip Schuyler may not have enough troops under his command to achieve his objectives. He recommends mustering troops from the local militia. But he is more detailed than that: he envisions ranking the local militia along a scale of how "regulated" they are, and choosing the men who are best regulated. All of these men are subject to the same laws, but they differ in their degree of regulation.