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> In Australia "guys" is a gender-neutral term when used collectively. It is in the U.S. too.

stjohnswarts 4y ago
Yeah, it's mostly the people who tried to push "LatinX" on us that demand guys is sexist. They a very small, but extremely vocal minority on twitter and then internet in general.
- sdoering 4y ago
  There is a fitting essay [0] by Nassim Nicholas Taleb. [0]: https://medium.com/incerto/the-most-intolerant-wins-the-dictatorship-of-the-small-minority-3f1f83ce4e15 https://medium.com/incerto/the-most-intolerant-wins-the-dict...
  - blowski 4y ago
    There is also an excellent chapter on it in Roger Scruton’s “Fools, Frauds and Firebrands” book.
- memish 4y ago
  Why are Google and Microsoft enabling a small number of people with the power to dictate our language?
  - vimy 4y ago
    They work there.
  - usrn 4y ago
    This destruction of culture and language actually has the potential for a lot of short term gain by consumer facing corporations (Here's a good summary of how this sort of thing works: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bRhMLhc8wQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bRhMLhc8wQ) Given that they can get away with practically whatever they want otherwise (look at how many people are still running Windows despite the completely unacceptable behavior by Microsoft) why wouldn't they do things that result in profit?
    - everforward 4y ago
      That video is awful. I made a good faith attempt to watch it to get an opposing point, and I made it right up to the 11 minute mark where he starts explaining that the woke agenda is anti-white and "they want to replace people of European descent in their own lands with a servant class who is lower IQ, easier to control, works for lower wages, and is driven entirely by material consumption." To sum up for anyone else who wants to avoid it, the whole argument is that culture drives consumption, and it's better for the elites to have a homogenous population who all consume the same things, and that "woke capital" is an attempt by the elites to coerce the populace into homogenizing. It's basically the "gay agenda", but now rich people are behind it.
  - native_samples 4y ago
    Because the people demanding this are wildly, disproportionately aggressive, and the number one priority of basically everyone at those firms these days is to just keep their heads down and stay on the gravy train. Even the CEOs. It doesn't help that it's all phrased in moral terms. Managers there don't get any sense of morality from their work so they're extremely vulnerable to being told that they have to do X to be a moral person. They don't know how to push back and say "actually, my behaviour is moral, your behaviour is immoral, unacceptable and you will now be fired for it". Also: firing is a decentralized process and means fighting HR.
  - johndfsgdgdfg 4y ago
    This is a wild hypothesis, but many people believe it including me. Woke politics and culture war is essentially modern day version of bread and circuses [1]. The biggest scandals in America last decade was illegitimate Iraq War and 2008 financial crisis. But in the decade of 2010s the biggest issue is how many genders and pronouns are out othere. So go figure. Bonus point if you can invent a new gender and pronoun for yourself. US is bombing some Middle Eastern country which has nothing to do with 9/11. But the issue of the day for Americans is how inclusive is "guys". US was funding a lab in China where COVID might have come from. Don't worry, the issue of the day is whether a 4 year old should be able to transition to another gender. So some Americans can feel good about their moral superiority. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bread_and_circuses https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bread_and_circuses
- panda88888 4y ago
  I still haven’t figured out how to pronounce Latinx in Spanish…
  - cjbgkagh 4y ago
    Latin-x. Which of course makes it super hard to apply to all the other gendered words in Spanish. At least make it a different vowel like latini.
    - ngc248 4y ago
      Oh i thought it was pronounced like how we pronounce lynx ... la-tuh-nks
      - cjbgkagh 4y ago
        Definitely ends in ɛks. But that’s an English x being grafted on to the end of the word. For a Spanish x it ends in eh-kees for equis the Spanish pronunciation of x. I personally find it rather amusing how culturally insensitive the ‘culturally sensitive’ are.

Yeah, it's mostly the people who tried to push "LatinX" on us that demand guys is sexist. They a very small, but extremely vocal minority on twitter and then internet in general.

sdoering 4y ago
There is a fitting essay [0] by Nassim Nicholas Taleb. [0]: https://medium.com/incerto/the-most-intolerant-wins-the-dictatorship-of-the-small-minority-3f1f83ce4e15 https://medium.com/incerto/the-most-intolerant-wins-the-dict...
- blowski 4y ago
  There is also an excellent chapter on it in Roger Scruton’s “Fools, Frauds and Firebrands” book.
memish 4y ago
Why are Google and Microsoft enabling a small number of people with the power to dictate our language?
- vimy 4y ago
  They work there.
- usrn 4y ago
  This destruction of culture and language actually has the potential for a lot of short term gain by consumer facing corporations (Here's a good summary of how this sort of thing works: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bRhMLhc8wQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bRhMLhc8wQ) Given that they can get away with practically whatever they want otherwise (look at how many people are still running Windows despite the completely unacceptable behavior by Microsoft) why wouldn't they do things that result in profit?
  - everforward 4y ago
    That video is awful. I made a good faith attempt to watch it to get an opposing point, and I made it right up to the 11 minute mark where he starts explaining that the woke agenda is anti-white and "they want to replace people of European descent in their own lands with a servant class who is lower IQ, easier to control, works for lower wages, and is driven entirely by material consumption." To sum up for anyone else who wants to avoid it, the whole argument is that culture drives consumption, and it's better for the elites to have a homogenous population who all consume the same things, and that "woke capital" is an attempt by the elites to coerce the populace into homogenizing. It's basically the "gay agenda", but now rich people are behind it.
- native_samples 4y ago
  Because the people demanding this are wildly, disproportionately aggressive, and the number one priority of basically everyone at those firms these days is to just keep their heads down and stay on the gravy train. Even the CEOs. It doesn't help that it's all phrased in moral terms. Managers there don't get any sense of morality from their work so they're extremely vulnerable to being told that they have to do X to be a moral person. They don't know how to push back and say "actually, my behaviour is moral, your behaviour is immoral, unacceptable and you will now be fired for it". Also: firing is a decentralized process and means fighting HR.
- johndfsgdgdfg 4y ago
  This is a wild hypothesis, but many people believe it including me. Woke politics and culture war is essentially modern day version of bread and circuses [1]. The biggest scandals in America last decade was illegitimate Iraq War and 2008 financial crisis. But in the decade of 2010s the biggest issue is how many genders and pronouns are out othere. So go figure. Bonus point if you can invent a new gender and pronoun for yourself. US is bombing some Middle Eastern country which has nothing to do with 9/11. But the issue of the day for Americans is how inclusive is "guys". US was funding a lab in China where COVID might have come from. Don't worry, the issue of the day is whether a 4 year old should be able to transition to another gender. So some Americans can feel good about their moral superiority. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bread_and_circuses https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bread_and_circuses
panda88888 4y ago
I still haven’t figured out how to pronounce Latinx in Spanish…
- cjbgkagh 4y ago
  Latin-x. Which of course makes it super hard to apply to all the other gendered words in Spanish. At least make it a different vowel like latini.
  - ngc248 4y ago
    Oh i thought it was pronounced like how we pronounce lynx ... la-tuh-nks
    - cjbgkagh 4y ago
      Definitely ends in ɛks. But that’s an English x being grafted on to the end of the word. For a Spanish x it ends in eh-kees for equis the Spanish pronunciation of x. I personally find it rather amusing how culturally insensitive the ‘culturally sensitive’ are.