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Inflation is and always will be relative value story. Some airports are crumbling, some are newer. Today we have iPhone's, virtual doctor's appointments and no

Inflation is and always will be relative value story. Some airports are crumbling, some are newer. Today we have iPhone's, virtual doctor's appointments and no horse manure in the street.

nawgz 4y ago
And 40 years ago we had real doctors actually available for patients, no horse manure in the street, and no capitalist manure wired into our pockets 24/7 controlling our information flow thru a select set of international media conglomerates. What's your point.
- jl6 4y ago
  I’m skeptical that the things you don’t like about 2022 are because 1982 was strictly better. Seems much more likely that we simply have a different set of compromises and priorities, with some things better and some things worse and no easy way to untangle the complex interdependencies into sweeping linear statements like “decline”.
  - nawgz 4y ago
    > 1982 was strictly better > sweeping linear statements like "decline" Who are you talking to? When did I make any statements of that nature? I was pointing out the provided example was stupid. Smart phones are "cool" and all, but it'd be a tough sell to argue successfully that connectivity has increased societal cohesion, education, information dispersal, or any of the other virtues you might hope for. Instead, iPhones and virtual doctor appointments are like bandaids on a societal-wide decline, where increased privatization combines with government inflation to create a caste system they disguise as capitalism. Inflation-adjusted salaries are lower than ever across the board, housing prices are skyrocketing both absolutely and as a function of salary-years, corporate control of information has reached unprecedented levels, and the "relative value story" of now vs 40 years ago makes it pretty clear it's tougher to have a good life now even if you can have fancy toys to interact with corporate-controlled data-mined ad-laced entertainment
    - jl6 4y ago
      I’m responding to the thread. Decline is mentioned a few posts up. Regardless of all the bad things you list, I would still prefer to live in 2022 than 1982 because I believe those bad things are stated hyperbolically and where there are genuine negatives they are more than compensated for by other factors. Are things perfect? No, let’s keep working on this and make 2062 even better.
      - nawgz 4y ago
        > Are things perfect? No, let’s keep working on this and make 2062 even better The naivety is almost making me feel better, but I don't think you understand what capitalism has done to our world's power structures if you think we stand a chance to change anything
        jl6 4y ago
        What’s your plan?
        nawgz 4y ago
        Originally, my plan was to earn enough to secure a house & future as a working person, and then try to join politic and change the discourse. Now, my plan is to accept that even with a good salary securing a future at good QOL costs a lifetime, so I will try to enjoy myself and hopefully buy a home that doesn't get burnt down in the increasingly frequent and devastating forest fires of my native home. Hooray for 2022!
        raxxorraxor 4y ago
        Problem is that wages did not increase with economic growth. Those that benefit the most are a small minority, so yes, now both parents would need to work to achieve the same.
formerkrogemp 4y ago
Name one new airport.
- jwarden 4y ago
  They just finished rebuilding SLC. It was a huge project. It is spacious and bright and modern. It reminds me some of the newer airports in Asia.
  - formerkrogemp 4y ago
    Cool, thank you for showing me a new airport for me to gawk at. I feel better that the US is getting at least some new infrastructure.

Inflation is and always will be relative value story. Some airports are crumbling, some are newer. Today we have iPhone's, virtual doctor's appointments and no horse manure in the street.

nawgz 4y ago

And 40 years ago we had real doctors actually available for patients, no horse manure in the street, and no capitalist manure wired into our pockets 24/7 controlling our information flow thru a select set of international media conglomerates. What's your point.

jl6 4y ago
I’m skeptical that the things you don’t like about 2022 are because 1982 was strictly better. Seems much more likely that we simply have a different set of compromises and priorities, with some things better and some things worse and no easy way to untangle the complex interdependencies into sweeping linear statements like “decline”.
- nawgz 4y ago
  > 1982 was strictly better > sweeping linear statements like "decline" Who are you talking to? When did I make any statements of that nature? I was pointing out the provided example was stupid. Smart phones are "cool" and all, but it'd be a tough sell to argue successfully that connectivity has increased societal cohesion, education, information dispersal, or any of the other virtues you might hope for. Instead, iPhones and virtual doctor appointments are like bandaids on a societal-wide decline, where increased privatization combines with government inflation to create a caste system they disguise as capitalism. Inflation-adjusted salaries are lower than ever across the board, housing prices are skyrocketing both absolutely and as a function of salary-years, corporate control of information has reached unprecedented levels, and the "relative value story" of now vs 40 years ago makes it pretty clear it's tougher to have a good life now even if you can have fancy toys to interact with corporate-controlled data-mined ad-laced entertainment
  - jl6 4y ago
    I’m responding to the thread. Decline is mentioned a few posts up. Regardless of all the bad things you list, I would still prefer to live in 2022 than 1982 because I believe those bad things are stated hyperbolically and where there are genuine negatives they are more than compensated for by other factors. Are things perfect? No, let’s keep working on this and make 2062 even better.
    - nawgz 4y ago
      > Are things perfect? No, let’s keep working on this and make 2062 even better The naivety is almost making me feel better, but I don't think you understand what capitalism has done to our world's power structures if you think we stand a chance to change anything
      - jl6 4y ago
        What’s your plan?
        nawgz 4y ago
        Originally, my plan was to earn enough to secure a house & future as a working person, and then try to join politic and change the discourse. Now, my plan is to accept that even with a good salary securing a future at good QOL costs a lifetime, so I will try to enjoy myself and hopefully buy a home that doesn't get burnt down in the increasingly frequent and devastating forest fires of my native home. Hooray for 2022!
      - raxxorraxor 4y ago
        Problem is that wages did not increase with economic growth. Those that benefit the most are a small minority, so yes, now both parents would need to work to achieve the same.

formerkrogemp 4y ago

Name one new airport.

jwarden 4y ago
They just finished rebuilding SLC. It was a huge project. It is spacious and bright and modern. It reminds me some of the newer airports in Asia.
- formerkrogemp 4y ago
  Cool, thank you for showing me a new airport for me to gawk at. I feel better that the US is getting at least some new infrastructure.