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What are some examples? I am assuming the concern is idealogical blasphemous words?

by waynecochran 5y ago

ironSkillet 5y ago
Earlier I saw a tweet where Google Docs flagged the word "landlord" as non-inclusive.
- mc32 5y ago
  It would actually be nice if Google Docs could keep the gender right in a sentence. Like if you say, Lucy, my landlord and the suggestion were to change it to Lucy, my landlady.
  - metalliqaz 5y ago
    I swear to god I did not know 'landlord' is gendered, at least not in the modern context. Is this one of those "actor" vs "actress" things?
    - mc32 5y ago
      I think it is like actor actress. Landlord can be inclusive (genderless/generic term) and used regardless of gender and is accepted use --but if you want to be specific you can use landlady.
    - nullc 5y ago
      In american english it had become genderless, but that isn't acceptable to gender-existentialist that insist on forcefully assigning gendered interpretations to everything possible.
- waynecochran 5y ago
  Did it suggest an alternative? "land-overseer"
- nickthegreek 5y ago
  Its replacement suggestions were Property Owner or Proprietor. Those both seem like decent replacements.
  - ironSkillet 5y ago
    They are decent replacements, but I also don't think "landlord" is actually a gendered word in modern language, so I'm not sure what there is to be offended about.
    - HigherPlain 5y ago
      It's not about being offended, it's about having control. The power to change words, and what that represents.
    - giaour 5y ago
      "Landlord" is gendered; people still regularly use "landlady" to refer to a woman property owner/lessor. There's room for a neologism here. Maybe "landliege" to keep it sounding feudal?
  - InitialLastName 5y ago
    Neither of those terms carries an implication that the person is the lessor of a rented property, as opposed to an owner/occupier.
- dfxm12 5y ago
  Damn, Google is gonna upset two (probably mutually exclusive) groups of people with that one. Those who refuse to use change to inclusive, gender neutral language and those who hate landlords.
  - MrStonedOne 5y ago
- advisedwang 5y ago
  https://twitter.com/thecitywanderer/status/1516176983549530122 https://twitter.com/thecitywanderer/status/15161769835495301...
  - tomatowurst 5y ago
    damn thought it was a joke, it was not!!! I don't know what to say I'm speechless as a non-American looking in. genuinely curious if "master bedroom" or "slave drive" gets the same treatment.
    - vimy 5y ago
      > A growing number of real-estate professionals have stopped using the phrase ‘master bedroom’ amid a broader societal rethink of the language we use https://www.marketwatch.com/story/the-real-estate-industry-may-finally-be-abandoning-master-bedrooms-after-years-of-discussion-2020-08-05 https://www.marketwatch.com/story/the-real-estate-industry-m... :p
      - tomatowurst 5y ago
        I really don't understand this part of America
csande17 5y ago
Microsoft Word already shipped their version of this feature, and it informed me that it was not inclusive to describe the main character of The Music Man as a "salesman".
- prometheus76 5y ago
  And do we now have to watch "Death of a Sales Associate"?
memish 5y ago
"Pregnant woman"
advisedwang 5y ago
Presumably the core of this feature is things like the n-word. But how far does this go into grey areas (ie things some folks believe are problematic but not everyone)? And do "suggestions" count as censorship?
- caddemon 5y ago
  I mean if someone is choosing to write the n-word I don't think a Google suggestion box is going to change their mind. The use cases I see here are either words with multiple meanings (particularly when the meanings differ between cultures or the offensive meaning is on the obscure side) or words that are meant completely harmlessly but are historically linked to (or even just sound too much like) something racist/sexist/etc. This could be helpful for people who were about to accidentally say something offensive, and maybe it could also give pause to someone that was trying to be subtly inflammatory. But flagging words like "landlord" seems on the sensitive side to me. I wouldn't call it censorship but it does further normalize hypervigilance about language use given how sensitive it does appear to be. I would feel better about it if I knew more about the settings - if I dismiss the landlord suggestion (for example) once will it stop giving me that suggestion in future docs? I would use if so. If not it will definitely get on my nerves and I'd like to turn it off outright. Hopefully that is an option.

What are some examples? I am assuming the concern is idealogical blasphemous words?

ironSkillet 5y ago

Earlier I saw a tweet where Google Docs flagged the word "landlord" as non-inclusive.

mc32 5y ago
It would actually be nice if Google Docs could keep the gender right in a sentence. Like if you say, Lucy, my landlord and the suggestion were to change it to Lucy, my landlady.
- metalliqaz 5y ago
  I swear to god I did not know 'landlord' is gendered, at least not in the modern context. Is this one of those "actor" vs "actress" things?
  - mc32 5y ago
    I think it is like actor actress. Landlord can be inclusive (genderless/generic term) and used regardless of gender and is accepted use --but if you want to be specific you can use landlady.
  - nullc 5y ago
    In american english it had become genderless, but that isn't acceptable to gender-existentialist that insist on forcefully assigning gendered interpretations to everything possible.
waynecochran 5y ago
Did it suggest an alternative? "land-overseer"
nickthegreek 5y ago
Its replacement suggestions were Property Owner or Proprietor. Those both seem like decent replacements.
- ironSkillet 5y ago
  They are decent replacements, but I also don't think "landlord" is actually a gendered word in modern language, so I'm not sure what there is to be offended about.
  - HigherPlain 5y ago
    It's not about being offended, it's about having control. The power to change words, and what that represents.
  - giaour 5y ago
    "Landlord" is gendered; people still regularly use "landlady" to refer to a woman property owner/lessor. There's room for a neologism here. Maybe "landliege" to keep it sounding feudal?
- InitialLastName 5y ago
  Neither of those terms carries an implication that the person is the lessor of a rented property, as opposed to an owner/occupier.
dfxm12 5y ago
Damn, Google is gonna upset two (probably mutually exclusive) groups of people with that one. Those who refuse to use change to inclusive, gender neutral language and those who hate landlords.
- MrStonedOne 5y ago
advisedwang 5y ago
https://twitter.com/thecitywanderer/status/1516176983549530122 https://twitter.com/thecitywanderer/status/15161769835495301...
- tomatowurst 5y ago
  damn thought it was a joke, it was not!!! I don't know what to say I'm speechless as a non-American looking in. genuinely curious if "master bedroom" or "slave drive" gets the same treatment.
  - vimy 5y ago
    > A growing number of real-estate professionals have stopped using the phrase ‘master bedroom’ amid a broader societal rethink of the language we use https://www.marketwatch.com/story/the-real-estate-industry-may-finally-be-abandoning-master-bedrooms-after-years-of-discussion-2020-08-05 https://www.marketwatch.com/story/the-real-estate-industry-m... :p
    - tomatowurst 5y ago
      I really don't understand this part of America

csande17 5y ago

Microsoft Word already shipped their version of this feature, and it informed me that it was not inclusive to describe the main character of The Music Man as a "salesman".

prometheus76 5y ago
And do we now have to watch "Death of a Sales Associate"?

memish 5y ago

"Pregnant woman"

advisedwang 5y ago

Presumably the core of this feature is things like the n-word. But how far does this go into grey areas (ie things some folks believe are problematic but not everyone)? And do "suggestions" count as censorship?

caddemon 5y ago
I mean if someone is choosing to write the n-word I don't think a Google suggestion box is going to change their mind. The use cases I see here are either words with multiple meanings (particularly when the meanings differ between cultures or the offensive meaning is on the obscure side) or words that are meant completely harmlessly but are historically linked to (or even just sound too much like) something racist/sexist/etc. This could be helpful for people who were about to accidentally say something offensive, and maybe it could also give pause to someone that was trying to be subtly inflammatory. But flagging words like "landlord" seems on the sensitive side to me. I wouldn't call it censorship but it does further normalize hypervigilance about language use given how sensitive it does appear to be. I would feel better about it if I knew more about the settings - if I dismiss the landlord suggestion (for example) once will it stop giving me that suggestion in future docs? I would use if so. If not it will definitely get on my nerves and I'd like to turn it off outright. Hopefully that is an option.