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I'm not getting why you wouldn't just use Emacs's customize to do the job?

daptaq 5y ago
The intended audience are people who haven't yet got into Emacs, and are therefore not familiar with Elisp, the packages and the options. Of course if you have a basic understanding of Emacs and an overview of the package space (and perhaps the time + motivation), you don't need anything like this.
- cbsmith 5y ago
  Isn't that Customize's intended audience as well?
  - daptaq 5y ago
    I wouldn't say so, customize is a useful interface to get an overview of all the options a package or feature might provide, but without any order or structure beyond the group hierarchy.
    - gnufx 5y ago
      I don't know what's the basis for denying it, but the parent is correct about the intention when it was developed. I don't understand why it should be thought to imply Lisp knowledge. It is useful to lay out the customization possibilities, but that's a bonus.
      - daptaq 5y ago
        Ok, I might have misread the comment. But to clarify my own position, I it doesn't necessarily have to be the lack of Experience with Elisp, but with the way you use Emacs and how it behaves (managing buffers and windows, how scrolling works, the little differences in how GUI features behave, etc.). To make use of the easy customization interface, and not get frustrated by it, it help to have some basic experience with Emacs. My intention is to provide a guided tour of what someone might want to have in Emacs, before they begin using it. That way they can get common annoyances out of the way before starting, and have less friction when dealing with whatever remains.
        cbsmith 5y ago
        Again, not questioning your goals/intentions at all. I'm more questioning the reaction to the project. The project suggests some ways that Customize could be improved, but the reaction doesn't seem to match that.
Jtsummers 5y ago
Not all of these (like the packages) fall out of emacs' built-in customize. Though they aren't far (package-list-packages, find them). Also you need to know that these options are even there (customize-apropos is good, but it's not hard to get stuck finding the right keyword to get to the option or option group you want).
- cbsmith 5y ago
  Sure, I get it as a curated list of things to add, but it kind of has a hierarchy that resembles the one in customize.

The intended audience are people who haven't yet got into Emacs, and are therefore not familiar with Elisp, the packages and the options. Of course if you have a basic understanding of Emacs and an overview of the package space (and perhaps the time + motivation), you don't need anything like this.

cbsmith 5y ago
Isn't that Customize's intended audience as well?
- daptaq 5y ago
  I wouldn't say so, customize is a useful interface to get an overview of all the options a package or feature might provide, but without any order or structure beyond the group hierarchy.
  - gnufx 5y ago
    I don't know what's the basis for denying it, but the parent is correct about the intention when it was developed. I don't understand why it should be thought to imply Lisp knowledge. It is useful to lay out the customization possibilities, but that's a bonus.
    - daptaq 5y ago
      Ok, I might have misread the comment. But to clarify my own position, I it doesn't necessarily have to be the lack of Experience with Elisp, but with the way you use Emacs and how it behaves (managing buffers and windows, how scrolling works, the little differences in how GUI features behave, etc.). To make use of the easy customization interface, and not get frustrated by it, it help to have some basic experience with Emacs. My intention is to provide a guided tour of what someone might want to have in Emacs, before they begin using it. That way they can get common annoyances out of the way before starting, and have less friction when dealing with whatever remains.
      - cbsmith 5y ago
        Again, not questioning your goals/intentions at all. I'm more questioning the reaction to the project. The project suggests some ways that Customize could be improved, but the reaction doesn't seem to match that.

Jtsummers 5y ago

Not all of these (like the packages) fall out of emacs' built-in customize. Though they aren't far (package-list-packages, find them). Also you need to know that these options are even there (customize-apropos is good, but it's not hard to get stuck finding the right keyword to get to the option or option group you want).

cbsmith 5y ago
Sure, I get it as a curated list of things to add, but it kind of has a hierarchy that resembles the one in customize.