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>The US military never forbade reporting on bodies returning home. >>U.S. lifts photo ban on military coffins >>In a reversal of an 18-year-old military polic

by nix23 5y ago

>The US military never forbade reporting on bodies returning home. >>U.S. lifts photo ban on military coffins >>In a reversal of an 18-year-old military policy that critics said was hiding the ultimate cost of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, https://web.archive.org/web/20220302035710/https://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/27/world/americas/27iht-photos.1.20479953.html https://web.archive.org/web/20220302035710/https://www.nytim...

pyuser583 5y ago
You claimed the press wasn’t allowed to report on military coffins returning home: > During the 2nd gulf war against Iraq, when the death toll began to rise, the US government forbade the reporting of military personnel coffins returning from the war zone This is demonstrably false: https://la.indymedia.org/news/2008/01/212729.php https://la.indymedia.org/news/2008/01/212729.php You then provided an article that said the US had reversed its policy of “not allowing photographs” of military coffins. Which is a very different thing from not reporting on them. The rule against photographs only applied military bases, which already have very strict rules about photography. Your initial claim was that there reporters were forbidden to report on bodies returning home. You made this claim to draw a parallel with Russian censorship. The Russians arent merely making access to military bases conditional on not taking photographs - they’re engaging in political censorship. Again, it’s very, very, very common to restrict photography on military bases, even by members of the press.
- nix23 5y ago
  >This is demonstrably false: No it's not, read the article. https://web.archive.org/web/20220302035710/https://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/27/world/americas/27iht-photos.1.20479953.html https://web.archive.org/web/20220302035710/https://www.nytim... >>the news media will now be allowed to photograph the flag-draped coffins of America's war dead as their bodies are returned to the United States And please stop with your cheap "indymedia" >Which is a very different thing from not reporting on them. Yes different but not far away from hiding...you know a picture say's more then thousand word's, the pentagon knows that too. The difference is seeing 30 coffins on the way home, compared to one coffin returning to he's home village. 1 Coffin = Bad, but it is like it is. 30 Coffins on one Flight/Picture...terrible.
  - pyuser583 5y ago
    > The difference is seeing 30 coffins on the way home, compared to one coffin returning to he's home village. > 1 Coffin = Bad, but it is like it is. > 30 Coffins on one Flight/Picture...terrible. Is that what the Russian government is doing? Restricting photographs on government facilities to prevent bad optics (while allowing reporters to write, say, publish, and broadcast whatever they want)? Reporters in Russia are free to publish what they want? Remember, you brought this up to draw a parallel with what the Russian government is doing.
    - nix23 5y ago
      >Is that what the Russian government is doing? No that's what the canceled US policy was for...did you still not read the article? In Russia you can't talk about it because it's a state secret now, means you are not allowed to talk about deaths in the "special" operation. No sure why you are so blind on one eye but not on the other? >Remember, you brought this up to draw a parallel with what the Russian government is doing. I did never said it's the same. But it has the same goal, try to hide the results of war on your own soldiers. As you can read: >>Yes different but not far away from hiding...you know a picture say's more then thousand word's, the pentagon knows that too.

by nix23 5y ago

pyuser583 5y ago

You claimed the press wasn’t allowed to report on military coffins returning home: > During the 2nd gulf war against Iraq, when the death toll began to rise, the US government forbade the reporting of military personnel coffins returning from the war zone This is demonstrably false: https://la.indymedia.org/news/2008/01/212729.php https://la.indymedia.org/news/2008/01/212729.php You then provided an article that said the US had reversed its policy of “not allowing photographs” of military coffins. Which is a very different thing from not reporting on them. The rule against photographs only applied military bases, which already have very strict rules about photography. Your initial claim was that there reporters were forbidden to report on bodies returning home. You made this claim to draw a parallel with Russian censorship. The Russians arent merely making access to military bases conditional on not taking photographs - they’re engaging in political censorship. Again, it’s very, very, very common to restrict photography on military bases, even by members of the press.

nix23 5y ago
>This is demonstrably false: No it's not, read the article. https://web.archive.org/web/20220302035710/https://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/27/world/americas/27iht-photos.1.20479953.html https://web.archive.org/web/20220302035710/https://www.nytim... >>the news media will now be allowed to photograph the flag-draped coffins of America's war dead as their bodies are returned to the United States And please stop with your cheap "indymedia" >Which is a very different thing from not reporting on them. Yes different but not far away from hiding...you know a picture say's more then thousand word's, the pentagon knows that too. The difference is seeing 30 coffins on the way home, compared to one coffin returning to he's home village. 1 Coffin = Bad, but it is like it is. 30 Coffins on one Flight/Picture...terrible.
- pyuser583 5y ago
  > The difference is seeing 30 coffins on the way home, compared to one coffin returning to he's home village. > 1 Coffin = Bad, but it is like it is. > 30 Coffins on one Flight/Picture...terrible. Is that what the Russian government is doing? Restricting photographs on government facilities to prevent bad optics (while allowing reporters to write, say, publish, and broadcast whatever they want)? Reporters in Russia are free to publish what they want? Remember, you brought this up to draw a parallel with what the Russian government is doing.
  - nix23 5y ago
    >Is that what the Russian government is doing? No that's what the canceled US policy was for...did you still not read the article? In Russia you can't talk about it because it's a state secret now, means you are not allowed to talk about deaths in the "special" operation. No sure why you are so blind on one eye but not on the other? >Remember, you brought this up to draw a parallel with what the Russian government is doing. I did never said it's the same. But it has the same goal, try to hide the results of war on your own soldiers. As you can read: >>Yes different but not far away from hiding...you know a picture say's more then thousand word's, the pentagon knows that too.