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Any time you blame people for their government, you're implying that you are okay with the same treatment from others. Are you, if you're an American, down with
by JasonFruit 5y ago
Any time you blame people for their government, you're implying that you are okay with the same treatment from others. Are you, if you're an American, down with being blamed for the war in Iraq over nonexistent WMDs, or the coups we have instigated around the world? (Substitute your country's wrongdoings as needed.) If so, keep doing what you're doing.
- JAlexoid 5y agoAmericans are - in fact - responsible for a lot. Like people fleeing the Northern Triangle are absolutely someone that US has a moral obligation to help. Arguably helping people in Cuba, Venezuela or Taiwan - is less of a moral imperative. Because those issues aren't American responsibility anymore.
- pessimizer 5y agoThe US is still attacking Cuba and Venezuela.
- a-b 5y agoAmericans doing plenty of real things to keep their government in check. There is no excuse.
- daemoens 5y agoCan you list some?
- lotusmars 5y agoCan you list some by Russians?
- pessimizer 5y agoAs an answer to the question of why Americans are better than Russians, saying that neither Russians nor Americans are equally bad at restraining their country's aggression isn't good. You could get closer to an answer by counting the corpses.
- lotusmars 5y agoUkraine, Chechnya, Syria. Add to that inhuman treatment of civilians, unhinged army, mass rapes as terror means, bombings, chemical attacks, kidnappings, tortures. Putin wins it easily and we in Russia know this well. And he just started.
- wiseowise 5y agoNot having one dictator for 20 years, for starters?
- JAlexoid 5y agoI mean... Not really. The military is widely unquestionably supported in US. Public is not even remotely trying to keep the covert and intelligence agencies in check... Remember how ATF sold AK47 to Mexican cartels? The issue is willful ignorance on behalf of many americans. To the point that most aren't even aware that US intelligence is spying on allied leaders(Merkel's phone was tapped by US)
- some_random 5y agoIt always comes back to whataboutism with you people, doesn't it? As if the previous actions of western countries justifies the top down strategy of ethnic cleansing, the deliberate targeting of civilian infrastructure, the torture, rape, and murder of civilians that Russian government is pursuing RIGHT NOW and has pursued in every conflict it's been involved in. This is a deliberate strategy that no western nation uses, there is no comparison to be drawn, and trying to pretend otherwise is defending the indefensible.
- lotusmars 5y agoWestern whataboutism is a really underexplored phenomenon. Why do they always do diminish struggle of people and nations outside of West? It's like they're always saying "nah everybody hurts, you're not going through anything special, let's talk about us instead".
- some_random 5y agoYeah I've never seen whataboutism about whataboutism, you truly are plumbing new depths of war crime denial.
- ttybird2 5y agoI do not see war crime denial in their post. More like war crime acknowledgement. I think that it is you who is undermining the struggles of people attacked by US interests.
- JasonFruit 5y agoIt's not whataboutism; it's "With what measure thou metest, it shall be measured unto thee again." It's the Golden Rule, a basic moral tenet.
- vagrantJin 5y ago> with you people... Oh? Its just that we would like for those with very little knowledge of their own governments war crimes to pipe down a little with the... targeting of civilian infrastructure, the torture, rape, and murder of civilians that Russian government is pursuing RIGHT NOW and has pursued... Narrative. It comes across as dishonest at best. Who do you mean by western nations? Which western nation has been at war in the last 50 years? I have a premonition that whatever "western nation" you are talking about is probably not part of the ICC because they do not want to be charged with war crimes...just a wild guess. So please save your feigned indignation.
- vimy 5y agoWe blamed the Germans for nazi Germany, didn’t we?
- caconym_ 5y agoThis seems extremely reductive at best, especially with the benefit of hindsight.
- ridiculous_leke 5y agoNot just blamed; they were also ruthlessly bombed. The impact was the opposite of what was expected: instead of revolting Germans were even more galvanized in supporting Hitler.
- JAlexoid 5y agoBombing civilians to foster opposition to the national government was out of arrogant ignorance. However - it did cripple German production capacity, because people go to factories. As far as blaming - we blamed a subset of people and put the responsibility of reparations on all German citizens(born and unborn). We made sure that they knew why the war happened and how horrible it was. We went so far, that only last month did Germany get over the pacification.
- buildbot 5y agoYes that is our burden as a democracy.