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Good thing all these people were condemning Google when US was invading here, there and elsewhere.

by turbo_bean 4y ago

hnarn 4y ago
Please take your whataboutism elsewhere.
- Nerwesta 4y ago
  Pointing hypocrisy in that particular case.
- alm1 4y ago
  this is not whataboutism, it's actually guilty-by-associationism displayed on both sides. Should we blame children whose elderly parents support the war for taking care of their parents, instead of disowning them? Should we blame employees of Google for allowing employees of Lockheed Martin use Google maps during the Syria invasion? Should we blame employees of Yandex for paying taxes and working for a company which did not cease operations in Russia? Where do you draw the line of association?
  - JAlexoid 4y ago
    Yandex is owned by one of Putin's pocket oligarchs and all of the management has been replaced by staunch loyalists, long time ago. This isn't "guilt by association". Yandex is part of the Russian government structure. I'm sorry that you don't know that.
    - the-lazy-guy 4y ago
      Would you mind saying what oligarch owns the company? It is a publically traded company. https://ir.yandex/shareholder-structure https://ir.yandex/shareholder-structure Arkady Volozh is a rare case of a (very) rich man in Russia who actually created his wealth by creating a company from scratch. None of the upper management are loyalists which is exhibited by amount of people who left the company since the start of the war, including from top ranks. Quite a few in top management stay. Not because it's all rosy, but because they have obligations for supporting people working for them and people and business who rely on them. This won't stop the war but will make more lives miserable. You might say, that supporting Russian people and Russian companies is unethical. As a Russian I disagree. I totally condemn what Russian government is doing but I don't think you understand how Russian society is structured currently if you think that killing non-government business will change anything in governments course. (This saddens me a lot) Disclaimer: I worked at Yandex till 2018 when I moved to another country. And I still maintain contact with a lot of wonderful people working there.
      - JAlexoid 4y ago
        > Arkady Volozh is a rare case of a (very) rich man in Russia who actually created his wealth by creating a company from scratch Which excludes him from being a pocket oligarch... how exactly? I don't know if Arkady is a good or bad person, but I know that he's one of the people dependent on the Putin's government to protect them. Supporting Russian residents, that are "apolitical" has forever been a bad thing. As someone whose entire family is from Russia and most are still there - it would be weird of me to say that supporting Russia is unethical. Condemning Yandex, however, is completely ethical... it also has nothing to do with people still working there... though now I will gladly condemn anyone still working for Yandex. And I stand by my words - management is loyalists. Loyalists can stop being loyalists. They can be pro-Putin pre Feb 24, and I have a few of those in my own family.
        the-lazy-guy 4y ago
        > I know that he's one of the people dependent on the Putin's government to protect them. Would you give examples of this protection? Or the source of your knowledge. There is a clear definition of "oligarch" in Russia (which does not match the actual meaning of the word in English. See wikipedia - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_oligarchs https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_oligarchs). In no way Volozh matches it. > Condemning Yandex, however, is completely ethical... it also has nothing to do with people still working there... though now I will gladly condemn anyone still working for Yandex. I see your point. And I disagree with it. I don't think I will be able to convince you that you are wrong in this thread though. But at least I can point out where your facts (about Volozh) are wrong.
- coconut08 4y ago
  idiots use the word whataboutism to deflect their hypocrisy. it's way easier to deflect someone's argument saying things like whataboutism, concern troll or whatever else than it is to address their legitimate argument.
JAlexoid 4y ago
You maybe should check who owns Yandex, before you bring up this "whatabout"
- yndxthrowaway1 4y ago
  who, Volozh? what are you implying?

Good thing all these people were condemning Google when US was invading here, there and elsewhere.

hnarn 4y ago

Please take your whataboutism elsewhere.

Nerwesta 4y ago
Pointing hypocrisy in that particular case.
alm1 4y ago
this is not whataboutism, it's actually guilty-by-associationism displayed on both sides. Should we blame children whose elderly parents support the war for taking care of their parents, instead of disowning them? Should we blame employees of Google for allowing employees of Lockheed Martin use Google maps during the Syria invasion? Should we blame employees of Yandex for paying taxes and working for a company which did not cease operations in Russia? Where do you draw the line of association?
- JAlexoid 4y ago
  Yandex is owned by one of Putin's pocket oligarchs and all of the management has been replaced by staunch loyalists, long time ago. This isn't "guilt by association". Yandex is part of the Russian government structure. I'm sorry that you don't know that.
  - the-lazy-guy 4y ago
    Would you mind saying what oligarch owns the company? It is a publically traded company. https://ir.yandex/shareholder-structure https://ir.yandex/shareholder-structure Arkady Volozh is a rare case of a (very) rich man in Russia who actually created his wealth by creating a company from scratch. None of the upper management are loyalists which is exhibited by amount of people who left the company since the start of the war, including from top ranks. Quite a few in top management stay. Not because it's all rosy, but because they have obligations for supporting people working for them and people and business who rely on them. This won't stop the war but will make more lives miserable. You might say, that supporting Russian people and Russian companies is unethical. As a Russian I disagree. I totally condemn what Russian government is doing but I don't think you understand how Russian society is structured currently if you think that killing non-government business will change anything in governments course. (This saddens me a lot) Disclaimer: I worked at Yandex till 2018 when I moved to another country. And I still maintain contact with a lot of wonderful people working there.
    - JAlexoid 4y ago
      > Arkady Volozh is a rare case of a (very) rich man in Russia who actually created his wealth by creating a company from scratch Which excludes him from being a pocket oligarch... how exactly? I don't know if Arkady is a good or bad person, but I know that he's one of the people dependent on the Putin's government to protect them. Supporting Russian residents, that are "apolitical" has forever been a bad thing. As someone whose entire family is from Russia and most are still there - it would be weird of me to say that supporting Russia is unethical. Condemning Yandex, however, is completely ethical... it also has nothing to do with people still working there... though now I will gladly condemn anyone still working for Yandex. And I stand by my words - management is loyalists. Loyalists can stop being loyalists. They can be pro-Putin pre Feb 24, and I have a few of those in my own family.
      - the-lazy-guy 4y ago
        > I know that he's one of the people dependent on the Putin's government to protect them. Would you give examples of this protection? Or the source of your knowledge. There is a clear definition of "oligarch" in Russia (which does not match the actual meaning of the word in English. See wikipedia - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_oligarchs https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_oligarchs). In no way Volozh matches it. > Condemning Yandex, however, is completely ethical... it also has nothing to do with people still working there... though now I will gladly condemn anyone still working for Yandex. I see your point. And I disagree with it. I don't think I will be able to convince you that you are wrong in this thread though. But at least I can point out where your facts (about Volozh) are wrong.
coconut08 4y ago
idiots use the word whataboutism to deflect their hypocrisy. it's way easier to deflect someone's argument saying things like whataboutism, concern troll or whatever else than it is to address their legitimate argument.

JAlexoid 4y ago

You maybe should check who owns Yandex, before you bring up this "whatabout"

yndxthrowaway1 4y ago
who, Volozh? what are you implying?