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Please keep your personal politics off hacker news. Your one sided opinion mirrors the western propaganda position and i can literally turn everywhere to hear i

Please keep your personal politics off hacker news. Your one sided opinion mirrors the western propaganda position and i can literally turn everywhere to hear it. I have followed this entire debacle since the US did its coup in Ukraine in 2014 and actually understand things like the broken Minsk agreement and the 14k Donbas civilians that have been slaughtered by Azov battalion since 2014. The assertion that Russia is doing this to capture land to enrich itself is pure fiction. This is the Russian cuban missle crisis. I don’t agree with Russia invading Ukraine but on the other I understand it. The fault on this lies with the US and NATO and their creeping desire to place nukes closer and closer to Russia. The US’s illegal bio weapons labs in the country are also a big problem.

cies 4y ago
Nerwesta 4y ago
>14k Donbas civilians that have been slaughtered by Azov battalion since 2014. It seems you didn't read the datas very well, it's ~14k in total in Donbas from both sides, not only civilians. And surely not by Azov.
- xtian 4y ago
  According to the OSCE, the majority of ceasefire violations occurred against the separatist-controlled areas, which also contain the vast majority of the civilian population.
  - megous 4y ago
    Citation needed. You should also clarify what is "ceasefire violation against the separatist-controlled area", because that doesn't sound like OSCE SMM terminology. If you read SMM reports, they classify location of violations, and type. So if violation is in non government controlled territory, it can be anything from training, outgoing explosions, impact explosions, ... So you can have a ceasefire violation in NGCA that is a shell impact there, or fire from there, or just training. Most violations are undeteremined.
    - xtian 4y ago
      Of course it's not possible to determine the source with absolute certainty, but most of the violations had been recorded east of the demarcation line, for instance in this report: https://www.osce.org/files/2022-02-20-21%20Daily%20Report_ENG.pdf https://www.osce.org/files/2022-02-20-21%20Daily%20Report_EN... The UN has reported that 81.4% of civilian casualties occurred in territory controlled by the Donbas republics: https://ukraine.un.org/sites/default/files/2022-02/Conflict-related%20civilian%20casualties%20as%20of%2031%20December%202021%20%28rev%2027%20January%202022%29%20corr%20EN_0.pdf https://ukraine.un.org/sites/default/files/2022-02/Conflict-... Is the reasonable conclusion that these deaths resulted from training and outgoing explosions?
jotm 4y ago
Why don't you keep your politics off lol. The vast majority disagrees with you. If you think you're enlightened, good for you.
postsantum 4y ago
The fact russian propaganda is not using this comparison with cuban crisis means they're absolutely incompetent. It's so obvious and pushes the reader to go beyond the "goodies and baddies" understanding
- pphysch 4y ago
  RF is not the USSR, and Russian domestic audiences don't need a distant historical analogy to understand what is going on.
  - postsantum 4y ago
    For external consumption, I mean
    - pphysch 4y ago
      How would Moscow get that messaging to foreign, say American, audiences?
      - postsantum 4y ago
        Good question. That's probably the point of the blanket ban on RT

cies 4y ago

Nerwesta 4y ago

>14k Donbas civilians that have been slaughtered by Azov battalion since 2014. It seems you didn't read the datas very well, it's ~14k in total in Donbas from both sides, not only civilians. And surely not by Azov.

xtian 4y ago
According to the OSCE, the majority of ceasefire violations occurred against the separatist-controlled areas, which also contain the vast majority of the civilian population.
- megous 4y ago
  Citation needed. You should also clarify what is "ceasefire violation against the separatist-controlled area", because that doesn't sound like OSCE SMM terminology. If you read SMM reports, they classify location of violations, and type. So if violation is in non government controlled territory, it can be anything from training, outgoing explosions, impact explosions, ... So you can have a ceasefire violation in NGCA that is a shell impact there, or fire from there, or just training. Most violations are undeteremined.
  - xtian 4y ago
    Of course it's not possible to determine the source with absolute certainty, but most of the violations had been recorded east of the demarcation line, for instance in this report: https://www.osce.org/files/2022-02-20-21%20Daily%20Report_ENG.pdf https://www.osce.org/files/2022-02-20-21%20Daily%20Report_EN... The UN has reported that 81.4% of civilian casualties occurred in territory controlled by the Donbas republics: https://ukraine.un.org/sites/default/files/2022-02/Conflict-related%20civilian%20casualties%20as%20of%2031%20December%202021%20%28rev%2027%20January%202022%29%20corr%20EN_0.pdf https://ukraine.un.org/sites/default/files/2022-02/Conflict-... Is the reasonable conclusion that these deaths resulted from training and outgoing explosions?

jotm 4y ago

Why don't you keep your politics off lol. The vast majority disagrees with you. If you think you're enlightened, good for you.

postsantum 4y ago

The fact russian propaganda is not using this comparison with cuban crisis means they're absolutely incompetent. It's so obvious and pushes the reader to go beyond the "goodies and baddies" understanding

pphysch 4y ago
RF is not the USSR, and Russian domestic audiences don't need a distant historical analogy to understand what is going on.
- postsantum 4y ago
  For external consumption, I mean
  - pphysch 4y ago
    How would Moscow get that messaging to foreign, say American, audiences?
    - postsantum 4y ago
      Good question. That's probably the point of the blanket ban on RT