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The word "even" here in the title indicates a fundamental lack of understanding of just how bad the New York Times is. If you are ever very close to the subjec
by natch 5y ago
The word "even" here in the title indicates a fundamental lack of understanding of just how bad the New York Times is.
If you are ever very close to the subject of a story, to the point where you know the important details, and then you see that subject get covered by the New York Times, you will see just how bad they are. Exceedingly, horrendously, tragically bad with facts, and trying to put an ideological spin on everything. But I'll grant that it's often less bad than some of the others.
- dumpsterlid 5y agoI agree the New York Times really isn't that great.
- snewman 5y agoOP here. I agree that there are a lot of problems with the Times' coverage; I deploy a heavy skepticism filter and I subscribe to various newsletters for perspective, analysis, and deeper coverage of topics I'm interested in. That said: do you know of a better source for general national (US) / world news? I haven't found anything that really strikes me as less problematic. I tried to leave after the Slate Star Codex mess, and failed.
- leephillips 5y agoIt’s called Gell-Mann amnesia: https://www.johndcook.com/blog/2021/01/18/gell-mann-amnesia/ https://www.johndcook.com/blog/2021/01/18/gell-mann-amnesia/
- natch 5y agoThanks, good link! I had heard of Gell-Mann amnesia but did not know what it was.
- leephillips 5y agoSomewhat hilariously, it has little to do with Gell-Mann himself. Chrichton just thought that sounded cool.
- siloed 5y agoDo you have examples of stories where the facts were "exceedingly, horrendously, tragically bad" and were published without any retraction?
- ec109685 5y agoHere’s an example: https://twitter.com/Kellen_Browning/status/1429899652745220111?s=20 https://twitter.com/Kellen_Browning/status/14298996527452201... Despite being called out that the data was being misrepresented, they never updated the article. The idea that Russia and a Ukraine supply 25% of the wheat in the world and they don’t correct that is egregious.
- siloed 5y agoThe Chicago bureau chief being off by 6% in a tweet is an example of "exceedingly, horrendously, tragically bad?" The story clearly says "because of Covid." The tweet's claim is "...the statistic is misrepresented. The 13% number only captures people who worked from home BECAUSE OF CORONAVIRUS." That's exactly what it says in the story. > Do you have examples of stories
- ec109685 5y agoThe writer of the story said only 13% of people worked from home. The real number is 32%.
- natch 5y agoYes I do. And the weasel words don’t help here. Once the damage is done, a retraction cannot undo it. Wen Ho Lee was in solitary confinement for nine months under threat of possible execution for things he did not do based in large part on drama whipped up (and never fully retracted imho, not that that matters one fucking bit for the nine months and other impacts on him and his family) by the early NYT reporting on his case.