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I can't believe you've been downvoted to oblivion. Labour party antisemitism goes way beyond criticism of isreal, including support for hezbollah and hamas. h

• gghhzzgghhzz 5y ago
  These are again examples without context. e.g. on Hobson's book. This was a book that was widely referenced. Certainly referencing it didn't mean endorsement of Hobson's antisemitism ( a few lines in that book).. like praising the works of many other authors of the time that contain antisemetic references. Here's the then leader of the Liberal Democrats Nick Clegg citing Hobson. http://www.demos.co.uk/files/Liberal_moment_-_EMBARGOED_18.09.09.pdf http://www.demos.co.uk/files/Liberal_moment_-_EMBARGOED_18.0... Or Blair: "J.A Hobson was probably the most famour Liberal convert to what was the literally 'new Labour'" or Gordon Brown "In Britain, this idea of liberty as empowerment is not a new idea, J A Hobson asked, “is a man free who has not equal opportunity with his fellows of such access to all material and moral means of personal development and work as shall contribute to his own welfare and that of his society?”" Is the same for all other cases. This is how smearing works. People take something that happened (that cannot be denied) and then insist this is proof. If the person says nothing they seem guilty, if the person tries to explain and put things into context they seem guilty.
  • cloutchaser 5y ago
    Ok, how about the others?
    • gghhzzgghhzz 5y ago
      well that's exactly the trap isn't it? The others have clearly been contextualised and explained many many times, but that's never enough and there's always 'but what about this one..' Throw enough stuff at the wall and hope something will stick. And if I put up a list of the times where Corbyn has gone above and beyond to support Jewish communities in the UK, people will undoubtedly put the effort in to dismiss them.
      • cloutchaser 5y ago
        No, you are doing exactly what you are claiming was done, explaining away one thing (which still btw doesn’t work, Blair and brown are both labour too), and saying the others don’t matter because you’ve proved one wrong. Yet somehow it’s always Corbyn labour that gets “misquoted”. Why is that? The Labour Party has plenty of motivation to smear the conservatives over antisemitism, yet somehow they don’t have the material for it. Why is that? But whatever, I won’t convince you anyway, you refuse to look at the evidence. The mural one is the best example but you claim it’s a smear too. Yet somehow again it’s corbyn who got messed up in it. But fine, I understand why the left is antisemitic, just like the Soviet Union was, it would just be nice if you were honest about it. If you blame identity groups for the worlds problems it’s hard to not blame Jews, and it must really frustrating seeing a successful nationalistic nation be successful against all odds.
        • gghhzzgghhzz 5y ago
          "plenty of motivation to smear the conservatives over antisemitism" "yet somehow they don’t have the material for it." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitism_in_the_UK_Conservative_Party https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitism_in_the_UK_Conserv... And On the Tory Prime minister https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/dec/11/boris-johnsons-record-of-bigotry-antisemitism-and-far-right-politics-must-not-be-forgotten https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/dec/11/boris-johns... On the mural. Yes I agree that is the clearest example. The mural is clearly antisemetic. Corbyn claims he wasn't paying attention and made the comment about censorship without opening the image. He has since agreed the mural was antisemetic and that he made a mistake. That's basically the only scandal that has stood up though, that he said he wasn't paying attention when surfing on Facebook 10 years ago, and people who believe the other scandals insist he was paying attention and was deliberately endorsing a piece of antisemetic art. And on the 'left' blaming Jews for everything. You are wrong obviously. but also worth noting many of the heros of the left : Karl Marx, Leon Trotsky, Rosa Luxemburg, Jesus Christ. Are Jews.
  • yyyk 5y ago
    People who write an encouraging and approving forward to a book are endorsing what the book says, duh. That's very different from a general reference to a phrase that a person said (Brown) or mentioning a person as part of an historic development (Clegg) - the difference between say, an historian mentioning Goebbels, compared to writing an approving forward to a new edition that a book that Goebbels wrote. Corbyn has a long long history of happening to not notice antisemitism by people he has been encouraging. >People take something that happened (that cannot be denied) and then insist this is proof. How dare we look into mere evidence?! Apparently the important thing to some is that the guy is left-wing and that covers for everything.
• foxhill 5y ago
  > Labour party antisemitism goes way beyond criticism of isreal, including support for hezbollah and hamas. corbyn famously laid a wreath on the grave of a hamas fighter[1]. an interpretation - more in line with how corbyn has historically treated war and violence - reads: > "They insist Jeremy Corbyn was at the service to commemorate the Palestinians who were killed in an Israeli airstrike in 1985" i'll leave "support for palastine is equivalent to antisemitism" argument to the side here, needless to say i don't think i'm unique in thinking that this isn't the case. > Jeremy Corbyn faces fury after praising ‘brilliant’ book which claims Jews control world banks if this is in reference to the hobson book foreword, then, this would be very similar in nature to calling me misogynistic for recommending the 1st edition K&R C book, because it presumes the programmer is a man. the book in question, Imperialism, is a treatise on how capatilism causes imperialism. which does sound like something corbyn would be interested in. i implore you to read it and tell me how antisemitic it is. > Corbyn also backed the artist behind the mural clearly depicting evil jews controlling the world like a board game: look at the damn mural![2] where is the antisemitic message? it's literally called "freedom for humanity". it seems clear to me that this is a complaint on the power the rich have over the rest of us. every single one of the threads i've ended up going down over years has always been a variation on: corbyn, or the labour party, is decried as antisemitic for something. this "something" is rarely made clear or obvious when it gets media coverage. surface level investigation makes claims of antisemitism look not particularly strong. in the meantime, i need to learn advanced memory keeping techniques to keep track of conservative government scandals from the last 6 months. > The excusing away of this behaviour on HN is crazy, it's not just about isreal. Not by a long shot. if corbyn is antisemitic, then let me be clear: fuck him. it would be at odds though with his otherwise radical socialist and humanitarian track record: views on which he has been remarkably consistent on for the majority of his political career. somehow, even today. the only thing that seems crazy to me is just how effective the campaign against him was. [1]: https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-jeremy-corbyn-and-the-wreath-row https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-jeremy-cor... [2]: https://i0.wp.com/inspiringcity.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/20120916_160418.jpg https://i0.wp.com/inspiringcity.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/...