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>Assuming Apple maintains its policy of only allowing the Big 3 (Google, Bing, Yahoo) as default search engines in iOS I know I will probably get downvoted for

>Assuming Apple maintains its policy of only allowing the Big 3 (Google, Bing, Yahoo) as default search engines in iOS I know I will probably get downvoted for this, but here you have another glaring example why closed and locked systems are retarded and should be frowned upon by each and every sane man.

untog 15y ago
Each and every sane man? I don't think so. The number of people that want to use DDG is still tiny, for now. So for a great many people, the tradeoff for something that "just works" (and my iPhone "worked" better than my current Android phone) is worth it.
- slowpoke 15y ago
  The fact that you are willing to trade away freedom for meaningless and short-term convenience does not necessarily qualify you as a sane man. Also, "blocks basic functionality for absolutely no reason whatsoever" is not - or rather, should not - be in any definition of "just works".
  - untog 15y ago
    Good grief. "trade away freedom for meaningless and short-term convenience" Is such a loaded sentence I don't even know where I am supposed to start. What, exactly, is the definition of "meaningless" here? Customising your search engine beyond a choice of search providers that >95% of users use is not basic functionality. Not by any definition. Apple have demonstrated time and time again that they DO cater for the majority (whether the majority know what they want at the time or not). Yes, Apple locks stuff down. If you don't like it, don't buy an Apple product. This is not a complex issue. If someone considers it a more valuable use of their time to have a device that works better but with fewer options, that is their choice. They are not insane.
    - slowpoke 15y ago
      > What, exactly, is the definition of "meaningless" here? Convenience means nothing without freedom. > Customising your search engine beyond a choice of search providers that >95% of users use is not basic functionality. Oh yes it is. Every sort of customization and configuration is basic functionality, and there is absolutely zero reason to deny it to the user. Worse, you (and many others) excuse this stupidity with some bullshit marketing mumbo jumbo that probably not even SJ himself believed, and I'm honestly sad to see how well it seems to have worked. >If you don't like it, don't buy an Apple product. This isn't about buying or not buying an Apple product. This isn't even about Apple specifically. This is about the atrocity that are closed systems, and the need for them to vanish into history and never come up again.
- kamaal 15y ago
  There was also a time when number of people using Google were tiny. How would Google come to be what it is today, if the OS vendors of that era had out rightly blocked them?
ugh 15y ago
You can get a different browser and change your search engine. It’s no problem.

untog 15y ago

Each and every sane man? I don't think so. The number of people that want to use DDG is still tiny, for now. So for a great many people, the tradeoff for something that "just works" (and my iPhone "worked" better than my current Android phone) is worth it.

slowpoke 15y ago
The fact that you are willing to trade away freedom for meaningless and short-term convenience does not necessarily qualify you as a sane man. Also, "blocks basic functionality for absolutely no reason whatsoever" is not - or rather, should not - be in any definition of "just works".
- untog 15y ago
  Good grief. "trade away freedom for meaningless and short-term convenience" Is such a loaded sentence I don't even know where I am supposed to start. What, exactly, is the definition of "meaningless" here? Customising your search engine beyond a choice of search providers that >95% of users use is not basic functionality. Not by any definition. Apple have demonstrated time and time again that they DO cater for the majority (whether the majority know what they want at the time or not). Yes, Apple locks stuff down. If you don't like it, don't buy an Apple product. This is not a complex issue. If someone considers it a more valuable use of their time to have a device that works better but with fewer options, that is their choice. They are not insane.
  - slowpoke 15y ago
    > What, exactly, is the definition of "meaningless" here? Convenience means nothing without freedom. > Customising your search engine beyond a choice of search providers that >95% of users use is not basic functionality. Oh yes it is. Every sort of customization and configuration is basic functionality, and there is absolutely zero reason to deny it to the user. Worse, you (and many others) excuse this stupidity with some bullshit marketing mumbo jumbo that probably not even SJ himself believed, and I'm honestly sad to see how well it seems to have worked. >If you don't like it, don't buy an Apple product. This isn't about buying or not buying an Apple product. This isn't even about Apple specifically. This is about the atrocity that are closed systems, and the need for them to vanish into history and never come up again.
kamaal 15y ago
There was also a time when number of people using Google were tiny. How would Google come to be what it is today, if the OS vendors of that era had out rightly blocked them?

ugh 15y ago

You can get a different browser and change your search engine. It’s no problem.