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> the people using them generally want the platonic ideal version of semantic versioning minor releases, namely updates that only fix bugs and improve things an

> the people using them generally want the platonic ideal version of semantic versioning minor releases, namely updates that only fix bugs and improve things and never introduce backward compatibility problems or undesired changes Oh, so very much this! I would pay kilodollars per year for a real LTS version of firefox that will never ever change its UI or randomly break how plugins work, but take security fixes.

blowski 5y ago
What has changed so much in Firefox that you'd pay $1,000s of dollars per year to avoid it? Sounds like a business opportunity for someone.
- squiffsquiff 5y ago
  What hasn't changed? There are many projects based on not following Mozilla's breaking changes https://www.theregister.com/2021/11/04/waterfox_firefox_fork/ https://www.theregister.com/2021/11/04/waterfox_firefox_fork...
mdp2021 5y ago
> firefox that will never ever change its UI You should probably promote /customizable/ UI. It would be basic common sense, but given that I have seen Firefox versions use directly unbelievably insane UI, sheer lunacies - such as psychedelic progress bars in FF for Android -, good sense is what faults.
rascul 5y ago
> I would pay kilodollars per year for a real LTS version of firefox that will never ever change its UI or randomly break how plugins work, but take security fixes. Is this what Firefox ESR is supposed to be? I don't use it, does it change UI and plugin stuff with minor updates?
- ainar-g 5y ago
  I guess, ESR misses the “ever” part in the parent comment. Once you update from Firefox 78 ESR to, say, Firefox 91 ESR, you get all the newest UI changes and all. There is a certain demand for “the boring UI”. Using as much of the native controls as possible in the browser UI, not moving things, not inventing new behaviour, and so on.
  - yjftsjthsd-h 5y ago
    So seamonkey? (But better maintained)
hansel_der 5y ago
tabkitv2 replacement any1? (vertical tabs with colorized grouping)

blowski 5y ago

What has changed so much in Firefox that you'd pay $1,000s of dollars per year to avoid it? Sounds like a business opportunity for someone.

squiffsquiff 5y ago
What hasn't changed? There are many projects based on not following Mozilla's breaking changes https://www.theregister.com/2021/11/04/waterfox_firefox_fork/ https://www.theregister.com/2021/11/04/waterfox_firefox_fork...

mdp2021 5y ago

> firefox that will never ever change its UI You should probably promote /customizable/ UI. It would be basic common sense, but given that I have seen Firefox versions use directly unbelievably insane UI, sheer lunacies - such as psychedelic progress bars in FF for Android -, good sense is what faults.

rascul 5y ago

> I would pay kilodollars per year for a real LTS version of firefox that will never ever change its UI or randomly break how plugins work, but take security fixes. Is this what Firefox ESR is supposed to be? I don't use it, does it change UI and plugin stuff with minor updates?

ainar-g 5y ago
I guess, ESR misses the “ever” part in the parent comment. Once you update from Firefox 78 ESR to, say, Firefox 91 ESR, you get all the newest UI changes and all. There is a certain demand for “the boring UI”. Using as much of the native controls as possible in the browser UI, not moving things, not inventing new behaviour, and so on.
- yjftsjthsd-h 5y ago
  So seamonkey? (But better maintained)

hansel_der 5y ago

tabkitv2 replacement any1? (vertical tabs with colorized grouping)