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Pacifist Europeans might do well to realize the long peace was and is enforced by US nuclear weapons. At a certain point you become a protectorate; and some gr
by alex_sf 5y ago
Pacifist Europeans might do well to realize the long peace was and is enforced by US nuclear weapons. At a certain point you become a protectorate; and some gratitude is reasonable.
A weak America is a dead Europe.
- flyinglizard 5y agoNot just nuclear weapons. NATO, huge military installations all across Europe and carrier groups patrolling all around. That coming after WWII lend-lease, direct military intervention and the Marshall plan. The pacifist European needs to learn about geopolitics.
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- c0mptonFP 5y agoWarmongering imperialist country leverages military power to exploit the rest of the world = honorable peace bringer. Get out with your American exceptionalism.
- alex_sf 5y agoPlease explain how the US exploits Germany.
- colechristensen 5y agoThe thing which is exceptional is the amount of money and effort spent on defense by America compared to NATO allies or the rest of the world. Roughly 2x to 3x on a per capita or percent GDP basis of any European nation. More in total than the next 11 nations combined. It is not through awesomeness but simple resource dedication which buys peace, which some conveniently neglect or pretend wouldn’t matter if the situation were much different. Europe relies on this exceptional spending and benefits from it, having a disproportionately strong power encourages peace.
- cercatrova 5y agoPax Americana exists for a reason. It's not just America though, any sufficiently imperialist nation can create a peace; Pax Romana, Pax Sinica, Pax Britannica, Pax Ottomana all exist.
- current_thing 5y agoNah. America is going to get another nationalist president, the EU will go its own way. The future does not look like the past.
- alex_sf 5y agoIt took less than 30 years for the first EU country to leave, and not exactly a small one.
- vagrantJin 5y agoEurope has been around for a hell of a lot longer than the US. Seen countless bloody wars, and almost dang near wiped itself off the map less than 100 years ago. On top of providing the source material for the US to begin its course as a proto-european country. Language, art, culture, engineering know-how, state-craft, law, even religion and guns. The US is essentially a version 1.2 of Europe.
- alex_sf 5y agoI mean, sure. That doesn’t change the fact that Europe is largely a protectorate of the US. Sort of an Eloi-like existence.