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The current home secretary, Priti Patel, was forced to resign from her previous (lesser) role as Minister for International Development for secretly (and thus i

by Jenk 4y ago

The current home secretary, Priti Patel, was forced to resign from her previous (lesser) role as Minister for International Development for secretly (and thus illegally) meeting with Israeli diplomats. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-41923007 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-41923007 It is completely unsurprising that there is little care shown by our government.

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KarlKemp 4y ago
Doesn't the fact that she had to resign point to the opposite conclusion, namely that these governments are distinct entities with sometimes conflicting interests?
- strbean 4y ago
  She is now Home Secretary of the UK. She got fired upwards.
  - killingtime74 4y ago
    I too hope I will be fired some day (upwards)
  - BoxOfRain 4y ago
    The current Cabinet is suffering from a serious lack of talent in my opinion; several political purges related to Brexit has meant the only real qualifying characteristic for some of the highest offices in the land is being a yes-man for Johnson.
    - oscargrouch 4y ago
      Now that you are saying this.. take a look everywhere, it's all like this.. every country turned into the worst versions of themselves, but even the worst of UK its kind of not bad in my opinion, compared to other countries. At least from an outside view, it's the UK now that is showing a good leadership in the current worldwide crises. While the US, France and Germany are completely lost, especially on how to deal with a "strong-man". (Meanwhile nobody remembers Cameron or that guy that was a pure puppet of the US in the forced Iraq war, and they were the posh gentleman everyone was expecting)
- voxic11 4y ago
  It points to there being some pressure, probably from the public. But like police officers who get fired only to be rehired the next town over she now has a even more prestigious position in government. So there is no actual accountability here, just theater.
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nivenkos 4y ago
Israel was also behind many of the efforts to smear the former opposition leader Jeremy Corbyn - https://www.middleeasteye.net/fr/news/israeli-diplomat-sought-set-labour-group-undermine-crazy-corbyn-1016879568 https://www.middleeasteye.net/fr/news/israeli-diplomat-sough... The current government is a huge ally of Israel.
- mschuster91 4y ago
  - OtomotO 4y ago
    I have a problem with Israel and its politics, not with Jews or any other religion. Does that make me an antisemit? Because then the term has been redefined and I'll gladly wear it
    - smcl 4y ago
      If you simply dislike how Israel is treating Palestinians (and maybe support BDS) then no it does not, so you should not accept that label.
  - dijit 4y ago
    That's not really how smear campaigns work. Using a very extreme example: if I got 4 people to call you a pedophile, then people will believe it until you submit proof that you're not. The problem is that it's impossible to prove the absence of something, so you're forced to push back on me: "Where's your proof that I'm a pedophile", where I can reply with anecdotes or other useless information. The point is not to "prove" you are a pedophile in that case, the point is to make people associate your name with pedophilia, and to make it unclear if you are or if you aren't. 80% of people will not look further into it. Pedophilia is probably too extreme of an example and people may be more critical of pedophilia accusations than, say, racism ones.
    - Veen 4y ago
seagullz 4y ago
Also unsurprising in view of even more egregious incidents from the past: Shai Masot, the Israeli embassy official at London, caught on camera in 2017 talking about 'hitlist' of members of parliament, including Foreign Office Minister Sir Alan Duncan, a vocal supporter of Palestinian state [0]. And that led to a slap on the wrist. A comparison of reactions to related incidents involving different parties is revealing [1]. [0] https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/israeli-embassy-rep-caught-discussing-taking-down-british-mps-1.5483066 https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/israeli-embassy-rep-caug... [1] https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20220214-espionage-is-a-dirty-game-that-israel-plays-with-impunity/ https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20220214-espionage-is-a-di...

by Jenk 4y ago

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KarlKemp 4y ago

Doesn't the fact that she had to resign point to the opposite conclusion, namely that these governments are distinct entities with sometimes conflicting interests?

strbean 4y ago
She is now Home Secretary of the UK. She got fired upwards.
- killingtime74 4y ago
  I too hope I will be fired some day (upwards)
- BoxOfRain 4y ago
  The current Cabinet is suffering from a serious lack of talent in my opinion; several political purges related to Brexit has meant the only real qualifying characteristic for some of the highest offices in the land is being a yes-man for Johnson.
  - oscargrouch 4y ago
    Now that you are saying this.. take a look everywhere, it's all like this.. every country turned into the worst versions of themselves, but even the worst of UK its kind of not bad in my opinion, compared to other countries. At least from an outside view, it's the UK now that is showing a good leadership in the current worldwide crises. While the US, France and Germany are completely lost, especially on how to deal with a "strong-man". (Meanwhile nobody remembers Cameron or that guy that was a pure puppet of the US in the forced Iraq war, and they were the posh gentleman everyone was expecting)
voxic11 4y ago
It points to there being some pressure, probably from the public. But like police officers who get fired only to be rehired the next town over she now has a even more prestigious position in government. So there is no actual accountability here, just theater.

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nivenkos 4y ago

Israel was also behind many of the efforts to smear the former opposition leader Jeremy Corbyn - https://www.middleeasteye.net/fr/news/israeli-diplomat-sought-set-labour-group-undermine-crazy-corbyn-1016879568 https://www.middleeasteye.net/fr/news/israeli-diplomat-sough... The current government is a huge ally of Israel.

mschuster91 4y ago
- OtomotO 4y ago
  I have a problem with Israel and its politics, not with Jews or any other religion. Does that make me an antisemit? Because then the term has been redefined and I'll gladly wear it
  - smcl 4y ago
    If you simply dislike how Israel is treating Palestinians (and maybe support BDS) then no it does not, so you should not accept that label.
- dijit 4y ago
  That's not really how smear campaigns work. Using a very extreme example: if I got 4 people to call you a pedophile, then people will believe it until you submit proof that you're not. The problem is that it's impossible to prove the absence of something, so you're forced to push back on me: "Where's your proof that I'm a pedophile", where I can reply with anecdotes or other useless information. The point is not to "prove" you are a pedophile in that case, the point is to make people associate your name with pedophilia, and to make it unclear if you are or if you aren't. 80% of people will not look further into it. Pedophilia is probably too extreme of an example and people may be more critical of pedophilia accusations than, say, racism ones.
  - Veen 4y ago

seagullz 4y ago

Also unsurprising in view of even more egregious incidents from the past: Shai Masot, the Israeli embassy official at London, caught on camera in 2017 talking about 'hitlist' of members of parliament, including Foreign Office Minister Sir Alan Duncan, a vocal supporter of Palestinian state [0]. And that led to a slap on the wrist. A comparison of reactions to related incidents involving different parties is revealing [1]. [0] https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/israeli-embassy-rep-caught-discussing-taking-down-british-mps-1.5483066 https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/israeli-embassy-rep-caug... [1] https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20220214-espionage-is-a-dirty-game-that-israel-plays-with-impunity/ https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20220214-espionage-is-a-di...