Arguably however, Kanban frames them in such a way that both business (re: usually product) folks find them agreeable, and so do engineers. If it reduces frict

Arguably however, Kanban frames them in such a way that both business (re: usually product) folks find them agreeable, and so do engineers. If it reduces friction (as suggested) for both sides and everyone spends less time managing ceremonies as a result, then its a net win.