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I found the argument(s) interesting although the animations hurt readability and clarity. I've watched the area of commercialized remote sensing products with
by mturmon 5y ago
I found the argument(s) interesting although the animations hurt readability and clarity.
I've watched the area of commercialized remote sensing products with some interest, because I'm in the non-commercial remote sensing line.
The way NASA handles derived data products is (broadly) through "levels":
L0: measurement, still in instrument native units (e.g., DN's)
L1: calibrated and put into physical units (e.g., watts/cm2)
L2: scientifically-useful product (surface reflectance at 450nm, CO2 concentration)
L3: L2 that has been aggregated into a map, possibly also across time or instrument
L4: data has been filtered through a time-stepped physics-based model
The lowest level that's commonly useful for applications is L2. A decent-sized satellite might have several L2 data products serving different user communities, e.g., CO2 concentration, methane concentration, and photosynthetic activity can all be recovered from remote-sensing spectroscopy, but they serve different uses.
One advantage of the above decomposition is that L2-L4 data can be validated with in-situ measurements. They are not just indexes -- they are targeted at a certain physically-measurable quantity.
This allows judgement whether the intermediate products (L2 CO2) are actually good, or improving. It also allows combining intermediate products from different sources (which is a hard problem). This is because both sources are trying to measure the same thing by design.
It is true that (for example) current spectroscopic remote sensing allows retrieval of a lot of L2 products for diverse communities -- scores of products, from mineral abundance to urban land use to agriculture to snow/ice to algae.
I do agree with OP that it will be impossible for any company to "cover the waterfront" of even half of these products. The measurement and each individual product take a lot of effort to get right.
But it also seems like there are commercial opportunities for some specific such products -- e.g., methane concentration/fluxes, or Evapotranspiration/soil moisture.
Wouldn't a subscription-based service to these products allow for continuous improvement of the underlying product, either through new measurements or through better algorithms?
So, in a nut, in the context of OP, what's the difference between:
-- an always-improving subscription-based "vertical service" for a L2 product like I just described,
vs.
-- a "problem-solving application" like the OP is advocating?
- campchase 5y agoThanks for taking the time to write this out, great info. There are two hallmarks of an application that differentiate it from a data service: 1. Earth observation is a minority of the data that it manages and maintains 2. Users are not just presented with information, they are prompted to take action I would argue that levels L3 and L4 are probably falling into the same trap as the data feeds I described in the blog post. Do you know if USGS publishes download metrics are available for each dataset associated with Landsat, for instance? I bet if you made a ratio of time/investment to downloads, you'd find L2 outperforms all other categories. But I could be wrong; I have never seen the download data and don't know the relative levels of effort to produce each dataset they offer.
- mturmon 5y agoOK, in your hallmark #1, I suppose you're distinguishing between, say, topographic or land-cover maps that come from remote sensing and that might be useful in flood risk assessment, versus property-valuation or storm-drainage infrastructure maps that don't come from remote sensing and that might also be needed for flood risk assessment? I.e., the value is in a complete "application" solution to a given problem rather than in hoping for a "killer remote-sensing data product" that would (in theory) solve the problem? About your question, I'm on the analysis side, not the infrastructure side, so I don't know about the download metrics - they must be tracked but a quick search didn't turn up anything accessible. The download metrics aren't super-valuable because lots of people/groups do programmatic downloads -- the cost is zero. I think the L0-L4 distinctions is trying to illustrate these points: -- L0, L1 data are sensor-dependent and not really useful to solving problems -- There's a lot of value in developing calibrated data (L2+) -- Basic visual imagery often isn't calibrated so subsequent processing will necessarily be ad hoc and thus of limited value for any consequential decision-making
- kanbara 5y agothe NASA levels are the same way that RapidEye and later SkySat were handled at RapidEye/BlackBridge/Planet.