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>"I'm surprised this isn't a major diplomatic incident between the UK and Israel too." I think Realpolitik is the reason why and that's all I'm going to say ab

>"I'm surprised this isn't a major diplomatic incident between the UK and Israel too." I think Realpolitik is the reason why and that's all I'm going to say about that.

recuter 4y ago
The realpolitik of it is that Johnson some weeks ago went to the Saudis hat in hand asking for oil after they've stopped responding to phone calls from POTUS. Last year: The Saudi crown prince, Mohammed bin Salman, warned Boris Johnson in a text message that UK-Saudi Arabian relations would be damaged if the British government failed to intervene to “correct” the Premier League’s “wrong” decision not to allow a £300m takeover of Newcastle United last year. The takeover of the club was of course completed shortly afterwards. As were the weapons sales. As for the NSO, it is rather likely that the UK government itself is a client. In fact taking all of that into account it isn't unlikely that the UK government is more than just a customer and was already aware of being "hacked". But that's all I'm going to say about that.
- forum_ghost 4y ago
  odds are UK and UAE mutually hacked each other.
- manquer 4y ago
  Some context/background to the deal the sale has been stalled for more than a year at that point , the league had decided arbitrarily to put a fitness check and delay(not reject) the deal. Roman, usmanov (minority holder ) and Abu Dhabi sovereign fund are current owners of major clubs before Saudi Arabia . The stalling and later approval has nothing to do with concerns of sportswashing (PL has sold out any morality they had long before then). The block and later approval was mostly because Qatar was pissed . Qatar owns PSG , hosting 2022 World Cup and most importantly owns lucrative PL broadcast rights in Middle East. beIN with Saudi government informal support has been streaming matches illegally. Complicating this Qatar for last 4/5 years has been pretty much isolated in Middle East and kicked out of many forums in unrelated diplomatic fights. In the end Saudi paid 1Billion pounds to Qatar to settle that dispute before Newcastle could be bought. Sovereign/government influence peddling and involving in sports clubs is nothing new. Real Madrid has benefited a lot over the years , west ham got a brand new stadium for nothing , even in the U.S. favorable policies , tax breaks are used heavily to attract sports teams at city /state level all the time. Democracy or dictators sports are cheap trick to improve ratings , it has been used at least since gladiators in Rome as a tool. My intention is not defend Saudi actions just that it is not surprising governments were involved. Disclaimer : I am a Newcastle fan
  - recuter 4y ago
    > Disclaimer : I am a Newcastle fan As-salamu alaykum I reckon the fans of rival clubs will absolutely terrorize you with taunting going forth.
    - nickt 4y ago
      I’m sure the Sunderland lads have already clocked it. Feel free to drop by… https://www.readytogo.net/smb/ https://www.readytogo.net/smb/
      - recuter 4y ago
        Shots fired! I had to look them up. Today I Learned about one of the earliest football paintings in the world: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunderland_A.F.C.#/media/File:Thomas_Hemy_Sunderland_v_Aston_Villa_1895_A_Corner_Kick.jpg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunderland_A.F.C.#/media/File:... That is pretty neat actually. I don't really follow football but I do enjoy the shit talking. This seems like a fun team to root for actually :)
        hkt 4y ago
        I was once goaded into going to a Sunderland away game. I was somewhat surprised to hear them chanting "he s*ts where he wants" to the tune of the theme from the Addams Family. No, I cannot explain.
        ineedasername 4y ago
        USA chiming in here to point out that the name of the sport is pronounced "soccer".
        ineedasername 4y ago
        To be clear, the above was meant as satire. Maybe not a good example of the form though.
        smcl 4y ago

>"I'm surprised this isn't a major diplomatic incident between the UK and Israel too." I think Realpolitik is the reason why and that's all I'm going to say about that.

recuter 4y ago

The realpolitik of it is that Johnson some weeks ago went to the Saudis hat in hand asking for oil after they've stopped responding to phone calls from POTUS. Last year: The Saudi crown prince, Mohammed bin Salman, warned Boris Johnson in a text message that UK-Saudi Arabian relations would be damaged if the British government failed to intervene to “correct” the Premier League’s “wrong” decision not to allow a £300m takeover of Newcastle United last year. The takeover of the club was of course completed shortly afterwards. As were the weapons sales. As for the NSO, it is rather likely that the UK government itself is a client. In fact taking all of that into account it isn't unlikely that the UK government is more than just a customer and was already aware of being "hacked". But that's all I'm going to say about that.

forum_ghost 4y ago
odds are UK and UAE mutually hacked each other.
manquer 4y ago
Some context/background to the deal the sale has been stalled for more than a year at that point , the league had decided arbitrarily to put a fitness check and delay(not reject) the deal. Roman, usmanov (minority holder ) and Abu Dhabi sovereign fund are current owners of major clubs before Saudi Arabia . The stalling and later approval has nothing to do with concerns of sportswashing (PL has sold out any morality they had long before then). The block and later approval was mostly because Qatar was pissed . Qatar owns PSG , hosting 2022 World Cup and most importantly owns lucrative PL broadcast rights in Middle East. beIN with Saudi government informal support has been streaming matches illegally. Complicating this Qatar for last 4/5 years has been pretty much isolated in Middle East and kicked out of many forums in unrelated diplomatic fights. In the end Saudi paid 1Billion pounds to Qatar to settle that dispute before Newcastle could be bought. Sovereign/government influence peddling and involving in sports clubs is nothing new. Real Madrid has benefited a lot over the years , west ham got a brand new stadium for nothing , even in the U.S. favorable policies , tax breaks are used heavily to attract sports teams at city /state level all the time. Democracy or dictators sports are cheap trick to improve ratings , it has been used at least since gladiators in Rome as a tool. My intention is not defend Saudi actions just that it is not surprising governments were involved. Disclaimer : I am a Newcastle fan
- recuter 4y ago
  > Disclaimer : I am a Newcastle fan As-salamu alaykum I reckon the fans of rival clubs will absolutely terrorize you with taunting going forth.
  - nickt 4y ago
    I’m sure the Sunderland lads have already clocked it. Feel free to drop by… https://www.readytogo.net/smb/ https://www.readytogo.net/smb/
    - recuter 4y ago
      Shots fired! I had to look them up. Today I Learned about one of the earliest football paintings in the world: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunderland_A.F.C.#/media/File:Thomas_Hemy_Sunderland_v_Aston_Villa_1895_A_Corner_Kick.jpg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunderland_A.F.C.#/media/File:... That is pretty neat actually. I don't really follow football but I do enjoy the shit talking. This seems like a fun team to root for actually :)
      - hkt 4y ago
        I was once goaded into going to a Sunderland away game. I was somewhat surprised to hear them chanting "he s*ts where he wants" to the tune of the theme from the Addams Family. No, I cannot explain.
      - ineedasername 4y ago
        USA chiming in here to point out that the name of the sport is pronounced "soccer".
        ineedasername 4y ago
        To be clear, the above was meant as satire. Maybe not a good example of the form though.
      - smcl 4y ago