> "That's not Agile's fault that people don't live up to it," "Not living up to Agile" is one of its principals: "At regular intervals, the team reflects on ho

> "That's not Agile's fault that people don't live up to it," "Not living up to Agile" is one of its principals: "At regular intervals, the team reflects on how to become more effective, then tunes and adjusts its behaviour accordingly." That's not what we're talking about, though. > Agile did not bother to anticipate that people would fall off of the path. This isn't a case of falling off the path, it's a case of not even being on the same planet. Agile is written about the things you need to think about if developers don't have managers overseeing a project. The OP was talking about what managers are doing. They are at completely different ends of the spectrum. If you want to use a religious analogy, this is like there being a religious leader preaching about God and a group of people who believe God doesn't exist. Logically, you wouldn't lump them together. They would be seen as distinct groups with opposing thoughts. Exactly how we treat this situation in a religious context: For example, Christianity and atheism.