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It is extremely funny that people are able to come to conclusions like this from just 2 data points. "Macbooks seem to be the only viable option these days", b

by gwn7 4y ago

It is extremely funny that people are able to come to conclusions like this from just 2 data points. "Macbooks seem to be the only viable option these days", because I had bad experiences with two non-Macbook computers. To be fair; I don't think that the author came to that conclusion only from those 2 anecdotes. But still, that is the way the argument is presented. And it really looks absurd.

cpill 4y ago
Like he said, he was unlucky. I got a Lenovo Carbon X1 and it worked with Ubuntu without problems (well, the finger print reader didn't work which become a security problem with work as we realised the weakest point was our laptops which had all the IP on them). Other than that it was a joy!
- sascha_sl 4y ago
  It's just that there are endless pitfalls, especially running Linux on more recent hardware. For instance, if you would be running Kernel 5.14+ but not 5.18-rc2+, you'd be crashing every time you try to wake from suspend right now.[1] [1]: https://github.com/torvalds/linux/commit/dfbba2518aac4204203b0697a894d3b2f80134d3 https://github.com/torvalds/linux/commit/dfbba2518aac4204203...
- foepys 4y ago
  Using fingerprints is insecure. Your fingerprints tend to be all over the laptop you are trying to protect and can especially be found on the fingerprint reader - unless it's one where you need to slowly move your finger across the sensor. Standardfingerprint readers are not very good at detecting fakes. A German IT magazine (c't by Heise) discovered that you can fool almost all fingerprint sensors by making the fingerprint with wood glue on a plastic strip and hold that over your own finger. It's a 15 minute job if you know what to do.
Foivos 4y ago
These two computers are among the best windows computers though. So, you expect them to set the bar.
- gwn7 4y ago
  Indeed they should set the bar but it is irrelevant to my point. The point is that you can't make a generalized statement about a brand and base it only to a single anecdote about a single machine it manufactured. Mistakes and problems are everywhere. What matters is the sample size. A single anecdote can't say anything about where the bar is set. It's basic statistics.
superasn 4y ago
Yes I've owned all sorts of laptops from toshiba to lenovo to asus including a macbook air and the mac was the only laptop i sold on olx as i just didn't like it one bit. So to each his own and definitely op is just unlucky and the conclusion drawn in this post is just absurd and flame-baity.
culopatin 4y ago
And then you get super long threads of people just sharing their opinion like it supports something. “I like Linux/Mac/Windows better”. “I don’t like my Dell”, “My Mac broke/never had an issue”. Ok what do I do with this info? Nothing, useless talk really, but we all love these threads and they always get super long
- _fat_santa 4y ago
  I feel like the only rational response is: "all computers have issues". When it comes to attention to detail on their machines (at least from a users perspective of interacting with one), Apple takes the crown and there's basically no one else doing it like they do. But in terms of actually being a computer? No Apple has a failure rate probably on par with the industry standard. If you don't agree with me then I would implore you to go watch some of Louis Rossmann's content on Youtube.

by gwn7 4y ago

cpill 4y ago

Like he said, he was unlucky. I got a Lenovo Carbon X1 and it worked with Ubuntu without problems (well, the finger print reader didn't work which become a security problem with work as we realised the weakest point was our laptops which had all the IP on them). Other than that it was a joy!

sascha_sl 4y ago
It's just that there are endless pitfalls, especially running Linux on more recent hardware. For instance, if you would be running Kernel 5.14+ but not 5.18-rc2+, you'd be crashing every time you try to wake from suspend right now.[1] [1]: https://github.com/torvalds/linux/commit/dfbba2518aac4204203b0697a894d3b2f80134d3 https://github.com/torvalds/linux/commit/dfbba2518aac4204203...
foepys 4y ago
Using fingerprints is insecure. Your fingerprints tend to be all over the laptop you are trying to protect and can especially be found on the fingerprint reader - unless it's one where you need to slowly move your finger across the sensor. Standardfingerprint readers are not very good at detecting fakes. A German IT magazine (c't by Heise) discovered that you can fool almost all fingerprint sensors by making the fingerprint with wood glue on a plastic strip and hold that over your own finger. It's a 15 minute job if you know what to do.

Foivos 4y ago

These two computers are among the best windows computers though. So, you expect them to set the bar.

gwn7 4y ago
Indeed they should set the bar but it is irrelevant to my point. The point is that you can't make a generalized statement about a brand and base it only to a single anecdote about a single machine it manufactured. Mistakes and problems are everywhere. What matters is the sample size. A single anecdote can't say anything about where the bar is set. It's basic statistics.

superasn 4y ago

Yes I've owned all sorts of laptops from toshiba to lenovo to asus including a macbook air and the mac was the only laptop i sold on olx as i just didn't like it one bit. So to each his own and definitely op is just unlucky and the conclusion drawn in this post is just absurd and flame-baity.

culopatin 4y ago

And then you get super long threads of people just sharing their opinion like it supports something. “I like Linux/Mac/Windows better”. “I don’t like my Dell”, “My Mac broke/never had an issue”. Ok what do I do with this info? Nothing, useless talk really, but we all love these threads and they always get super long

_fat_santa 4y ago
I feel like the only rational response is: "all computers have issues". When it comes to attention to detail on their machines (at least from a users perspective of interacting with one), Apple takes the crown and there's basically no one else doing it like they do. But in terms of actually being a computer? No Apple has a failure rate probably on par with the industry standard. If you don't agree with me then I would implore you to go watch some of Louis Rossmann's content on Youtube.