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For example, you can't flag or vouch posts unless you have a certain amount of karma.

yesenadam 5y ago
And that cripples your experience of HN? Unfortunately, it's hard/impossible to talk about this properly, because of that sentence starting "Which does mean that if you're thinking an easy of expressing". I can't work out what grammatical sentence they could've been going for, what they meant exactly, it's such a mangled mess. I try to repair it but can't.
- drakonka 5y ago
  Despite the slight language or spelling barrier I still feel like I got what OP was trying to say without much trouble. I'm actually curious if you're trying to illustrate the following part of their comment with your replies? > Also also, not sure if this is specific only to me or if it happens to others who's first language isn't English but quite often when I ask a question users assume the worst and think that in just trolling and down vote, making the website less useful...
  - yesenadam 5y ago
    Please assume good faith, your comment is just insulting. I will assume you didn't mean to be. That's great you understood it without much trouble. Consider it possible that, as I've said several times, I couldn't. So can you please turn/correct this into understandable english for me? "Which does mean that if you're thinking an easy of expressing your thought doesn't align well enough with those above you, your experience of HN will be crippled." Well, I think that would just be guesswork, so maybe don't worry about it. I tried, but can't believe that you're "actually curious if you're trying to illustrate the following part of their comment", i.e. that I'm deliberately trolling. You are just 'cleverly' being mean, while accusing me of the same. Don't play such games on HN, thanks. I'm not interested in playing, and utterly regret taking part in this thread.
    - drakonka 5y ago
      I'm certainly not playing games or trying to be mean. Your replies seemed like they may be picking apart the OP's comment in a way that legitimately appeared to illustrate their point, hence my question. I get how my question about whether you're "trying" to illustrate the point can come off as accusing you of trolling though, apologies for that. I will assume the point was simply illustrated by accident. Here is the "understandable English" you requested, which is how I interpreted the OP's message without picking apart their every word (I hope they will correct me if I'm wrong): If you are attempting to express your thought and the way you word it does not align well enough with those who have more karma (and thereby things like flagging/vouching power), your experience of HN will be crippled. I'm not sure I agree with this entirely, though I can definitely see their point.
      - LoveMortuus 5y ago
        I appear to be unable to edit the original comment, but I'd say that you're quite on point. I was trying to say that how people think, how good they are at putting those thoughts into words and how they put it into words is different from person to person. Quite often when I try to give an example of something I pick as obvious of an example as possible. Example of how people have different definitions for the same words: Word: evil. Hitler probably wouldn't describe himself as evil, but a vast majority of people would use the word evil to describe Hitler. That would mean that Hitler's definition of evil would have to exclude the things that he did. When I gave that example in a different community the moderator deleted my message saying that supporting and glorifying Hitler is not allowed there. While I do have faith that here on HN people would actually read what I wrote and understand that I did no such thing. Such misinterpretation of comments still happens even here, which ends in a negative outcome.

And that cripples your experience of HN? Unfortunately, it's hard/impossible to talk about this properly, because of that sentence starting "Which does mean that if you're thinking an easy of expressing". I can't work out what grammatical sentence they could've been going for, what they meant exactly, it's such a mangled mess. I try to repair it but can't.

drakonka 5y ago
Despite the slight language or spelling barrier I still feel like I got what OP was trying to say without much trouble. I'm actually curious if you're trying to illustrate the following part of their comment with your replies? > Also also, not sure if this is specific only to me or if it happens to others who's first language isn't English but quite often when I ask a question users assume the worst and think that in just trolling and down vote, making the website less useful...
- yesenadam 5y ago
  Please assume good faith, your comment is just insulting. I will assume you didn't mean to be. That's great you understood it without much trouble. Consider it possible that, as I've said several times, I couldn't. So can you please turn/correct this into understandable english for me? "Which does mean that if you're thinking an easy of expressing your thought doesn't align well enough with those above you, your experience of HN will be crippled." Well, I think that would just be guesswork, so maybe don't worry about it. I tried, but can't believe that you're "actually curious if you're trying to illustrate the following part of their comment", i.e. that I'm deliberately trolling. You are just 'cleverly' being mean, while accusing me of the same. Don't play such games on HN, thanks. I'm not interested in playing, and utterly regret taking part in this thread.
  - drakonka 5y ago
    I'm certainly not playing games or trying to be mean. Your replies seemed like they may be picking apart the OP's comment in a way that legitimately appeared to illustrate their point, hence my question. I get how my question about whether you're "trying" to illustrate the point can come off as accusing you of trolling though, apologies for that. I will assume the point was simply illustrated by accident. Here is the "understandable English" you requested, which is how I interpreted the OP's message without picking apart their every word (I hope they will correct me if I'm wrong): If you are attempting to express your thought and the way you word it does not align well enough with those who have more karma (and thereby things like flagging/vouching power), your experience of HN will be crippled. I'm not sure I agree with this entirely, though I can definitely see their point.
    - LoveMortuus 5y ago
      I appear to be unable to edit the original comment, but I'd say that you're quite on point. I was trying to say that how people think, how good they are at putting those thoughts into words and how they put it into words is different from person to person. Quite often when I try to give an example of something I pick as obvious of an example as possible. Example of how people have different definitions for the same words: Word: evil. Hitler probably wouldn't describe himself as evil, but a vast majority of people would use the word evil to describe Hitler. That would mean that Hitler's definition of evil would have to exclude the things that he did. When I gave that example in a different community the moderator deleted my message saying that supporting and glorifying Hitler is not allowed there. While I do have faith that here on HN people would actually read what I wrote and understand that I did no such thing. Such misinterpretation of comments still happens even here, which ends in a negative outcome.