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Definitely look very seriously at Framework. Bought one last year and it's easily been the best computer purchase I've ever made. Solved every problem I experi

Definitely look very seriously at Framework. Bought one last year and it's easily been the best computer purchase I've ever made. Solved every problem I experienced with Dell and Lenovo. I run Manjaro Linux on it. https://frame.work https://frame.work

smeej 5y ago
Mine still won't even wake from sleep, and will freeze all inputs if it sits even slightly unevenly. The Framework is a beta product, at best. If you know that and are up for the challenge, go for it, but if you want something you're not going to have to fiddle with every time you want to do anything on it, pick something else.
- heavyset_go 5y ago
  What distro and kernel version are you using?
  - smeej 5y ago
    Ubuntu 21.04 (21.10 was reportedly full of even more bugs, so I'm anxiously awaiting 22.04 this week), 5.11 kernel.
    - heavyset_go 5y ago
      Ubuntu is a bad choice for newer and esoteric hardware, a rolling release distro will have up-to-date kernels and userlands in comparison. As an example, Ubuntu had issues with my newer Zen hardware despite the hardware being on the market for quite some time. Switching to the newest kernel fixed my issues with stand-by and sleep, along with weird issues like random freezing.
      - smeej 5y ago
        I think in this thread it's worth pointing out that it doesn't work well with even a very common Linux distro. For someone who's considering a MacBook the primary viable alternative, I'm just trying to point out that it's a long way from a smooth experience on a refined product.
        lewispollard 5y ago
        Sure, at the same time it's worth pointing out that anyone who wants to buy a laptop to run Linux on it full time should be using a Linux distro which provides up to date packages.
        aiisjustanif 5y ago
        Can you provide a short list of those distros you recommend with up to date packages?
        heavyset_go 5y ago
        OpenSuse Tumbleweed, Arch and Arch-based distros like EndeavorOS, maybe Debian Sid (it's been a while since I've used it, don't know how up-to-date the packages actually are), maybe Fedora Rawhide. There's also Manjaro, but I can't really recommend it when there are better options. Then there are some other rolling release distributions that I can't speak for, some of them new and some of them old like Gentoo. I've used Ubuntu and Debian stable and testing for decades, but have migrated over to rolling releases for desktop use because of better hardware support.
  - shodan757 5y ago
    This, 100%. Running opensuse 15.3 but with a bleeding edge kernerl (via repo) to fix sleep and other issues. Works almost perfectly.
- plaguepilled 5y ago
  Framework still aren't shipping to a lot of countries, which is extremely frustrating.
efficax 5y ago
i seriously considered a framework laptop instead of a 14" mbpro but the battery life seems to be terrible on them, maybe in a few years if intel or amd catch up on power consumption of their chips

smeej 5y ago

Mine still won't even wake from sleep, and will freeze all inputs if it sits even slightly unevenly. The Framework is a beta product, at best. If you know that and are up for the challenge, go for it, but if you want something you're not going to have to fiddle with every time you want to do anything on it, pick something else.

heavyset_go 5y ago
What distro and kernel version are you using?
- smeej 5y ago
  Ubuntu 21.04 (21.10 was reportedly full of even more bugs, so I'm anxiously awaiting 22.04 this week), 5.11 kernel.
  - heavyset_go 5y ago
    Ubuntu is a bad choice for newer and esoteric hardware, a rolling release distro will have up-to-date kernels and userlands in comparison. As an example, Ubuntu had issues with my newer Zen hardware despite the hardware being on the market for quite some time. Switching to the newest kernel fixed my issues with stand-by and sleep, along with weird issues like random freezing.
    - smeej 5y ago
      I think in this thread it's worth pointing out that it doesn't work well with even a very common Linux distro. For someone who's considering a MacBook the primary viable alternative, I'm just trying to point out that it's a long way from a smooth experience on a refined product.
      - lewispollard 5y ago
        Sure, at the same time it's worth pointing out that anyone who wants to buy a laptop to run Linux on it full time should be using a Linux distro which provides up to date packages.
        aiisjustanif 5y ago
        Can you provide a short list of those distros you recommend with up to date packages?
        heavyset_go 5y ago
        OpenSuse Tumbleweed, Arch and Arch-based distros like EndeavorOS, maybe Debian Sid (it's been a while since I've used it, don't know how up-to-date the packages actually are), maybe Fedora Rawhide. There's also Manjaro, but I can't really recommend it when there are better options. Then there are some other rolling release distributions that I can't speak for, some of them new and some of them old like Gentoo. I've used Ubuntu and Debian stable and testing for decades, but have migrated over to rolling releases for desktop use because of better hardware support.
- shodan757 5y ago
  This, 100%. Running opensuse 15.3 but with a bleeding edge kernerl (via repo) to fix sleep and other issues. Works almost perfectly.
plaguepilled 5y ago
Framework still aren't shipping to a lot of countries, which is extremely frustrating.

efficax 5y ago

i seriously considered a framework laptop instead of a 14" mbpro but the battery life seems to be terrible on them, maybe in a few years if intel or amd catch up on power consumption of their chips