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I would never use plain debian. security updates, support, broader user base, just to start. And Juju. Juju is going to be huge. https://juju.ubuntu.com/ http

I would never use plain debian. security updates, support, broader user base, just to start. And Juju. Juju is going to be huge. https://juju.ubuntu.com/ https://juju.ubuntu.com/

Maro 15y ago
"What is juju?" "Formerly called Ensemble, juju is DevOps DistilledTM. Through the use of charms (renamed from formulas), juju provides you with shareable, re-usable, and repeatable expressions of DevOps best practices. You can use them unmodified, or easily change and connect them to fit your needs. Deploying a charm is similar to installing a package on Ubuntu: ask for it and it’s there, remove it and it’s completely gone." I have no idea what juju is.
- xentronium 15y ago
  Sounds like puppet or chef with central community-maintained repository for formulas.
  - jcastro 15y ago
    juju is service orchestration, not configuration management, we think of it as a level above CM. Basically instead of configuring machines you say "I want wordpress" or "I want cassandra". People have been using the term "apt for the cloud". Here's a quick demo (out of date, but the idea is the same): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e8IKkWJj7bA http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e8IKkWJj7bA
wazoox 15y ago
What do you find lacking in Debian security updates and support? This is quite baffling.
- jewel 15y ago
  The advantage of Ubuntu LTS over Debian is that security updates are provided for five years. Since there is a new LTS update every two years, you have a three year upgrade window, as opposed to the year-long window of Debian.
  - gizmo 15y ago
    But the documentation is completely lacking. Debian outlines exactly what can go wrong with upgrades between major versions, what assumptions are made, and so forth. Ubuntu has basically no documentation at all. Ubuntu is basically Debian with a bunch of extra stuff you neither want or need on a server. Such as X11.
    - Andys 15y ago
      Ubuntu Server does not contain a GUI. There's no X11 unless you ask to install it.
dman 15y ago
Are there any stats out there on ubuntu receiving faster security updates as compared to debian?

I would never use plain debian. security updates, support, broader user base, just to start. And Juju. Juju is going to be huge. https://juju.ubuntu.com/ https://juju.ubuntu.com/

Maro 15y ago

"What is juju?" "Formerly called Ensemble, juju is DevOps DistilledTM. Through the use of charms (renamed from formulas), juju provides you with shareable, re-usable, and repeatable expressions of DevOps best practices. You can use them unmodified, or easily change and connect them to fit your needs. Deploying a charm is similar to installing a package on Ubuntu: ask for it and it’s there, remove it and it’s completely gone." I have no idea what juju is.

xentronium 15y ago
Sounds like puppet or chef with central community-maintained repository for formulas.
- jcastro 15y ago
  juju is service orchestration, not configuration management, we think of it as a level above CM. Basically instead of configuring machines you say "I want wordpress" or "I want cassandra". People have been using the term "apt for the cloud". Here's a quick demo (out of date, but the idea is the same): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e8IKkWJj7bA http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e8IKkWJj7bA

wazoox 15y ago

What do you find lacking in Debian security updates and support? This is quite baffling.

jewel 15y ago
The advantage of Ubuntu LTS over Debian is that security updates are provided for five years. Since there is a new LTS update every two years, you have a three year upgrade window, as opposed to the year-long window of Debian.
- gizmo 15y ago
  But the documentation is completely lacking. Debian outlines exactly what can go wrong with upgrades between major versions, what assumptions are made, and so forth. Ubuntu has basically no documentation at all. Ubuntu is basically Debian with a bunch of extra stuff you neither want or need on a server. Such as X11.
  - Andys 15y ago
    Ubuntu Server does not contain a GUI. There's no X11 unless you ask to install it.

dman 15y ago

Are there any stats out there on ubuntu receiving faster security updates as compared to debian?