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My (opinionated) take on how this is possible: - Apple has practically unlimited money - The company can afford the best of the planet's talent - The compani

My (opinionated) take on how this is possible: - Apple has practically unlimited money - The company can afford the best of the planet's talent - The companies business is ethical and therefore the top layer of talent hesitant to join ad-based companies pick Apple naturally - The company is highly design driven, which means it's the perfectionists making most decisions (roughly speaking) All this seems to have a cultural impact that optimizes for quality without much a/b testing.

wodenokoto 5y ago
It's also infamous for relatively low pay and a culture of brutal overworking, and during the jobs years, seemingly a fear of the CEO.
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- jarjoura 5y ago
  They also do not invest in their workforce the way other Bay Area companies do. For example, they do not really encourage engineers to grow outside hired abilities and make it almost impossible to find time to work on anything except the Radars (tasks) put in front of you. Plenty of managers would proudly say out-loud they would prefer someone go build a new skillset outside of Apple and then come back. (This is jokingly referred to as your "next tour of duty" as many engineers actually do come back.) They also make it challenging to switch teams internally, you basically compete for the same role an external candidate would, and you interview as if you were an external candidate. All of that makes it very easy to get burnt out and so either you are someone bought into the "cult" of Apple and couldn't see yourself working anywhere else, or you peace-out once the rose-colored glasses come off.
- viro 5y ago
  low pay?
  - Apocryphon 5y ago
    Compared to other FAANG. They will match high offers, but will not go out of their way to set particularly high comps.
obarthelemy 5y ago
I Lolled. Highly ethical ? They're China's lapdogs (Google left China). Also they're the ones who don't want to pay employees for the time they spend being searched, nor acknowledge when their platform or their customers have a virus. Design-driven ? They're the ones with keyboards with a 30% failure rate and $500 repair cost. (They're PR and financials driven). They certainly have unlimited money, and have shown they're not afraid to sue, and bully, or reward compliance.
- minerva23 5y ago
  They market ethics, and like most things they market, the claims are often misleading or exaggerated. That said, of the companies who market their ethics, Apple seems to actually _do_ more than most.
- scarface74 5y ago
  Google didn’t leave China for any ethical reason.
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Terry_Roll 5y ago
Their cult graphic designer following in the 90's and 00's and insistence on top spec hardware has helped them enormously because that cult group following is intrinsically linked to the media sector and thats helped then enormously because I've never known of anyone to bad mouth Apple as a result, but Google and Microsoft, thats different. They became the premium product manufacturer in IT.

wodenokoto 5y ago

It's also infamous for relatively low pay and a culture of brutal overworking, and during the jobs years, seemingly a fear of the CEO.

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jarjoura 5y ago
They also do not invest in their workforce the way other Bay Area companies do. For example, they do not really encourage engineers to grow outside hired abilities and make it almost impossible to find time to work on anything except the Radars (tasks) put in front of you. Plenty of managers would proudly say out-loud they would prefer someone go build a new skillset outside of Apple and then come back. (This is jokingly referred to as your "next tour of duty" as many engineers actually do come back.) They also make it challenging to switch teams internally, you basically compete for the same role an external candidate would, and you interview as if you were an external candidate. All of that makes it very easy to get burnt out and so either you are someone bought into the "cult" of Apple and couldn't see yourself working anywhere else, or you peace-out once the rose-colored glasses come off.
viro 5y ago
low pay?
- Apocryphon 5y ago
  Compared to other FAANG. They will match high offers, but will not go out of their way to set particularly high comps.

obarthelemy 5y ago

I Lolled. Highly ethical ? They're China's lapdogs (Google left China). Also they're the ones who don't want to pay employees for the time they spend being searched, nor acknowledge when their platform or their customers have a virus. Design-driven ? They're the ones with keyboards with a 30% failure rate and $500 repair cost. (They're PR and financials driven). They certainly have unlimited money, and have shown they're not afraid to sue, and bully, or reward compliance.

minerva23 5y ago
They market ethics, and like most things they market, the claims are often misleading or exaggerated. That said, of the companies who market their ethics, Apple seems to actually _do_ more than most.
scarface74 5y ago
Google didn’t leave China for any ethical reason.

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Terry_Roll 5y ago

Their cult graphic designer following in the 90's and 00's and insistence on top spec hardware has helped them enormously because that cult group following is intrinsically linked to the media sector and thats helped then enormously because I've never known of anyone to bad mouth Apple as a result, but Google and Microsoft, thats different. They became the premium product manufacturer in IT.