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That could make you blind to your surroundings though, and studies show fairly consistently that well lit areas have lower crime rates. So imagine a dimly lit p

That could make you blind to your surroundings though, and studies show fairly consistently that well lit areas have lower crime rates. So imagine a dimly lit path that has a lighting system that makes it more difficult for your eyes to see your peripherals.

Kaibeezy 5y ago
I was imagining more of a Bright Tree Village sort of thing, but sure, you can go with District 9, and you’d probably be right.
goodpoint 5y ago
> studies show fairly consistently that well lit areas have lower crime rates It works on a hyperlocal level, but on as whole city it's a zero-sum game.
- ars 5y ago
  That's not true. You are assuming there is a base level of crime that just gets pushed to other places. But if you discourage crime then it just doesn't exist anymore.
  - goodpoint 5y ago
    No, countless sociological studies proven that if people are in poverty and have no access to jobs and healthcare many will resort to crime. And it does not disappear into thin air if you increase lightning or set up fences and so on.
trgn 5y ago
Picture the ballroom of Beaty and the Beast. Avatar perhaps. Or anything else, dimly, but gloriously lit. No high-tech beams of light, that's just gross, but a mist of light. Not threatening at all. Already some walkable cities already bathe in this kind of light, they don't even need glow worms. It's unreal how degraded 99% of the public realm is, when there's for a fact places in the world today, hosts of a functional 21st century economy, where you feel like royalty just for being outside. Like, why the low low low bar? Ah yes, because we made cities for cars, not people.
- s5300 5y ago
  > there's for a fact places in the world today, hosts of a functional 21st century economy, where you feel like royalty just for being outside. Not trying to sound like a dick - can you name some of them you know of? Looking to get a good amount of traveling in in the near future
  - trgn 5y ago
    I'd say any city in the Netherlands and Flanders; expensive, not tourist traps, desirable for their job markets and not just their history: Leuven, Delft, Amersfoort, on the smaller end, Ghent, Amsterdam on the bigger end. At night, it's like walking around the Versailles mirror room, but outside. That's just the ones I'm familiar with, probably all European countries have these places. Even stateside, I think there's some phenomenal examples. Savannah, Charleston, Louisville, have a really unique flavor, where the outside can feel magical, although rougher around the edges, much less walkable, but still, there's pockets here&there. They have this balmy verdancy, especially in the summer, at night when it's still warm. And the lightning bugs actually do light up the night! These are lived-in cities, and not just tourist destinations. Again, there's probably hundreds more. I just really like the observable reality that there's plenty of fantastic cities, that are appealing to the senses (e.g. their light at night), and are not relegated to be purely curiosities for tourists.
  - Kaibeezy 5y ago
    - Paris any foggy night. - Manhattan 03:00 in heavy snow. - Suburban USA Xmas light battle. - Cannaregio and Castello in Venezia. - Bavarian countryside and villages. - Chicago River architectural boat tour at sunset.

Kaibeezy 5y ago

I was imagining more of a Bright Tree Village sort of thing, but sure, you can go with District 9, and you’d probably be right.

goodpoint 5y ago

> studies show fairly consistently that well lit areas have lower crime rates It works on a hyperlocal level, but on as whole city it's a zero-sum game.

ars 5y ago
That's not true. You are assuming there is a base level of crime that just gets pushed to other places. But if you discourage crime then it just doesn't exist anymore.
- goodpoint 5y ago
  No, countless sociological studies proven that if people are in poverty and have no access to jobs and healthcare many will resort to crime. And it does not disappear into thin air if you increase lightning or set up fences and so on.

trgn 5y ago

Picture the ballroom of Beaty and the Beast. Avatar perhaps. Or anything else, dimly, but gloriously lit. No high-tech beams of light, that's just gross, but a mist of light. Not threatening at all. Already some walkable cities already bathe in this kind of light, they don't even need glow worms. It's unreal how degraded 99% of the public realm is, when there's for a fact places in the world today, hosts of a functional 21st century economy, where you feel like royalty just for being outside. Like, why the low low low bar? Ah yes, because we made cities for cars, not people.

s5300 5y ago
> there's for a fact places in the world today, hosts of a functional 21st century economy, where you feel like royalty just for being outside. Not trying to sound like a dick - can you name some of them you know of? Looking to get a good amount of traveling in in the near future
- trgn 5y ago
  I'd say any city in the Netherlands and Flanders; expensive, not tourist traps, desirable for their job markets and not just their history: Leuven, Delft, Amersfoort, on the smaller end, Ghent, Amsterdam on the bigger end. At night, it's like walking around the Versailles mirror room, but outside. That's just the ones I'm familiar with, probably all European countries have these places. Even stateside, I think there's some phenomenal examples. Savannah, Charleston, Louisville, have a really unique flavor, where the outside can feel magical, although rougher around the edges, much less walkable, but still, there's pockets here&there. They have this balmy verdancy, especially in the summer, at night when it's still warm. And the lightning bugs actually do light up the night! These are lived-in cities, and not just tourist destinations. Again, there's probably hundreds more. I just really like the observable reality that there's plenty of fantastic cities, that are appealing to the senses (e.g. their light at night), and are not relegated to be purely curiosities for tourists.
- Kaibeezy 5y ago
  - Paris any foggy night. - Manhattan 03:00 in heavy snow. - Suburban USA Xmas light battle. - Cannaregio and Castello in Venezia. - Bavarian countryside and villages. - Chicago River architectural boat tour at sunset.