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I think that's just a variant of the slippery slope fallacy. There's nothing related to religion here, and they have not mentioned anything about evolution.

JaimeThompson 5y ago
Actually they have if you look at some of the groups that support some of this stuff and the language they use. Very reminiscent of the language used in their attempts to ban evolutionary teaching and related subjects. A lot of the same groups against CRT are also against LGBTQ rights on the basis of religious beliefs.
seanicus 5y ago
“Our desire is to … confront the culture in which we all live today in ways which will continue to advance God’s kingdom, not to stay in our own safe territories,” Betsy DeVos said. Cited from this article: https://religionnews.com/2017/02/06/5-faith-facts-betsy-devos-trumps-pick-for-secretary-of-education/ https://religionnews.com/2017/02/06/5-faith-facts-betsy-devo... Are you so far inside your bubble that you can't connect conservative values aligned to religious thinking to the conservative push to defund public education benefitting private parochial schools?
- mardifoufs 5y ago
  Not at all, I just don't think the tired late 2000s trope of the religious boogeyman is still really relevant. The entire debate has shifted to something else, and honestly even amongst conservatives they don't have much of a voice anymore
- kcplate 5y ago
  > Are you so far inside your bubble that you can't connect conservative values aligned to religious thinking to the conservative push to defund public education benefitting private parochial schools You know its funny. I always hear this “folk devil” described regarding the charter school movement, yet my SIL works at a teacher at a charter school that has no religious curriculum. Its oriented to exploring the use of novel teaching methodologies not yet adopted by the public schools and quite successful. Its in a more economically depressed area, which serves the kids in that area quite well and is sought after educational center for parents in that area, because the public school is crap (and was crap before the charters opened). This in large part why charter school initiatives poll well in economically depressed communities. Do some parochial schools benefit? Sure. Is the charter school movement only for parochial schools? Nope.
  - dragonwriter 5y ago
    > You know its funny. I always hear this “folk devil” described regarding the charter school movement Only indirectly. It's about the voucher movement (parochial schools can't be charter schools). The main connection to the charter movement (with regard to support specifically for parochial schools) is that the pro-parochial voucher movement sometimes uses push for charters as an Overton-window shifting technique to break down resistance to public funding of private schools where they can't win outright. (The voucher and charter movements are more deeply connected through the broader private-for-profit schooling industry and it's lobbying, but that's a different angle than the parochial schooling one, though it connects back because the industry definitely uses the religious community much the same way the auto insurance industry uses MADD.)
  - JaimeThompson 5y ago
    There are a lot of different types of charter schools with vastly different rules and regulations.

JaimeThompson 5y ago

Actually they have if you look at some of the groups that support some of this stuff and the language they use. Very reminiscent of the language used in their attempts to ban evolutionary teaching and related subjects. A lot of the same groups against CRT are also against LGBTQ rights on the basis of religious beliefs.

seanicus 5y ago

“Our desire is to … confront the culture in which we all live today in ways which will continue to advance God’s kingdom, not to stay in our own safe territories,” Betsy DeVos said. Cited from this article: https://religionnews.com/2017/02/06/5-faith-facts-betsy-devos-trumps-pick-for-secretary-of-education/ https://religionnews.com/2017/02/06/5-faith-facts-betsy-devo... Are you so far inside your bubble that you can't connect conservative values aligned to religious thinking to the conservative push to defund public education benefitting private parochial schools?

mardifoufs 5y ago
Not at all, I just don't think the tired late 2000s trope of the religious boogeyman is still really relevant. The entire debate has shifted to something else, and honestly even amongst conservatives they don't have much of a voice anymore
kcplate 5y ago
> Are you so far inside your bubble that you can't connect conservative values aligned to religious thinking to the conservative push to defund public education benefitting private parochial schools You know its funny. I always hear this “folk devil” described regarding the charter school movement, yet my SIL works at a teacher at a charter school that has no religious curriculum. Its oriented to exploring the use of novel teaching methodologies not yet adopted by the public schools and quite successful. Its in a more economically depressed area, which serves the kids in that area quite well and is sought after educational center for parents in that area, because the public school is crap (and was crap before the charters opened). This in large part why charter school initiatives poll well in economically depressed communities. Do some parochial schools benefit? Sure. Is the charter school movement only for parochial schools? Nope.
- dragonwriter 5y ago
  > You know its funny. I always hear this “folk devil” described regarding the charter school movement Only indirectly. It's about the voucher movement (parochial schools can't be charter schools). The main connection to the charter movement (with regard to support specifically for parochial schools) is that the pro-parochial voucher movement sometimes uses push for charters as an Overton-window shifting technique to break down resistance to public funding of private schools where they can't win outright. (The voucher and charter movements are more deeply connected through the broader private-for-profit schooling industry and it's lobbying, but that's a different angle than the parochial schooling one, though it connects back because the industry definitely uses the religious community much the same way the auto insurance industry uses MADD.)
- JaimeThompson 5y ago
  There are a lot of different types of charter schools with vastly different rules and regulations.