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> privileged woke leftists Why don't we have a strong epithet like this for the right? (also, I can't imagine anyone more privileged than Musk)

by guelo 5y ago

cloutchaser 5y ago
Because at this point anyone right of privileged woke leftists is a Nazi apparently.
- guelo 5y ago
  The right has successfully made calling out racism to be a bad thing these days. Feels like the right is currently enjoying a complete victory in talking points and memes. The left has been completely marginalized in the political vocabulary. Discussions like this Musk thing happen completely within right wing framing of the issues.
  - _-david-_ 5y ago
    The right is successful because the left frequently calls people racist when they aren't. When everybody is a racist nobody is. The left is almost always successful at political framing. Look at the don't say gay bill. It wasn't the right who came up with that name of the bill. Perhaps it is changing but it doesn't look like it to me.
  - cloutchaser 5y ago
    They are enjoying victory in talking points in grassroots places, like social media, that aren’t controlled. In almost every other place now the left dominates, anywhere where there is power or important people. Academia, tech, film, tv, music. You basically cannot get a right wing viewpoint in anywhere.
    - shakezula 5y ago
      > You basically cannot get a right wing viewpoint in anywhere. This is a great joke. Good delivery, great setup, 9/10. https://www.statista.com/statistics/373814/cable-news-network-viewership-usa/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/373814/cable-news-networ...
    - tayo42 5y ago
      What right wing view point do you feel can't be shared?
      - meragrin_ 5y ago
        It's not even view points any more. It is facts detrimental to Democrats which get people deplatformed.
        tayo42 5y ago
        still same question, do you have an example? and an example of the first would still be good
        meragrin_ 5y ago
        Hunter Biden's laptop? 2 years ago it was lies planted by the Russians and peddled by evil Russian sympathizer Republicans trying to destroy democracy. The New York Post was banned from Twitter. Now, leftist news outlets have come out and confirmed the information.
        tayo42 5y ago
        thats not what happened, nypost started sharing some non story about alaptop trying to make it a big deal when it wasn't even confirmed. wouldnt that media be making it political to begin with? russia had nothing to do with it? What damning thing was confirmed since then? Why are you using antagonistic phrases like "leftist"
        FireBeyond 5y ago
        No, they confirmed that it was most likely his laptop. The entire shit show of blind laptop repair techs not taking down any contact information but recognizing Hunter Biden, waiting three years and then snooping on the contents, and then reaching out to Steve Bannon and Rudy Giuliani (who he apparently had no difficulty contacting, but somehow couldn't reach Hunter to say "Hey, your laptop is fixed"), making multiple copies of a drive, and then the loss of said laptop when it was "shipped" across country by USPS, untracked, uncertified, when it came time to give it to the FBI? That's all still lies and bullshit.
dfxm12 5y ago
I'd prefer to reduce overall name calling and broad assumptions based on nothing in particular like in the parent post, personally. The fact that the post is currently light grey gives me some hope that I'm not in the minority.
foolinaround 5y ago
while labeling does not help, we can all agree that Musk is privileged, but he is certainly not on the right.. Maybe, 'alt-left' similar to the existing 'alt-right' label?
- FireBeyond 5y ago
  No? Anti-union. Anti-labor. Very binary views on gender (this admittedly can cross the political spectrum). Donates to both parties, as almost all billionaires do, but donates $1MM to the Republican Party for every $140K he donates to the Democrats. "Certainly not right", how exactly?
- jerojero 5y ago
  I guess it depends on what you would consider is being "on the right" or "on the left". Personally I would consider Elon Musk very much economically right wing, and I think the question of ownership in the firm pertains to the economy. I don't really care much about Elon Musk's moral beliefs, I'm not trying to befriend the guy, I care much more about what he does with his money that affect society's power structures.

> privileged woke leftists Why don't we have a strong epithet like this for the right? (also, I can't imagine anyone more privileged than Musk)

by guelo 5y ago

> privileged woke leftists Why don't we have a strong epithet like this for the right? (also, I can't imagine anyone more privileged than Musk)

cloutchaser 5y ago

Because at this point anyone right of privileged woke leftists is a Nazi apparently.

guelo 5y ago
The right has successfully made calling out racism to be a bad thing these days. Feels like the right is currently enjoying a complete victory in talking points and memes. The left has been completely marginalized in the political vocabulary. Discussions like this Musk thing happen completely within right wing framing of the issues.
- _-david-_ 5y ago
  The right is successful because the left frequently calls people racist when they aren't. When everybody is a racist nobody is. The left is almost always successful at political framing. Look at the don't say gay bill. It wasn't the right who came up with that name of the bill. Perhaps it is changing but it doesn't look like it to me.
- cloutchaser 5y ago
  They are enjoying victory in talking points in grassroots places, like social media, that aren’t controlled. In almost every other place now the left dominates, anywhere where there is power or important people. Academia, tech, film, tv, music. You basically cannot get a right wing viewpoint in anywhere.
  - shakezula 5y ago
    > You basically cannot get a right wing viewpoint in anywhere. This is a great joke. Good delivery, great setup, 9/10. https://www.statista.com/statistics/373814/cable-news-network-viewership-usa/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/373814/cable-news-networ...
  - tayo42 5y ago
    What right wing view point do you feel can't be shared?
    - meragrin_ 5y ago
      It's not even view points any more. It is facts detrimental to Democrats which get people deplatformed.
      - tayo42 5y ago
        still same question, do you have an example? and an example of the first would still be good
        meragrin_ 5y ago
        Hunter Biden's laptop? 2 years ago it was lies planted by the Russians and peddled by evil Russian sympathizer Republicans trying to destroy democracy. The New York Post was banned from Twitter. Now, leftist news outlets have come out and confirmed the information.
        tayo42 5y ago
        thats not what happened, nypost started sharing some non story about alaptop trying to make it a big deal when it wasn't even confirmed. wouldnt that media be making it political to begin with? russia had nothing to do with it? What damning thing was confirmed since then? Why are you using antagonistic phrases like "leftist"
        FireBeyond 5y ago
        No, they confirmed that it was most likely his laptop. The entire shit show of blind laptop repair techs not taking down any contact information but recognizing Hunter Biden, waiting three years and then snooping on the contents, and then reaching out to Steve Bannon and Rudy Giuliani (who he apparently had no difficulty contacting, but somehow couldn't reach Hunter to say "Hey, your laptop is fixed"), making multiple copies of a drive, and then the loss of said laptop when it was "shipped" across country by USPS, untracked, uncertified, when it came time to give it to the FBI? That's all still lies and bullshit.

dfxm12 5y ago

I'd prefer to reduce overall name calling and broad assumptions based on nothing in particular like in the parent post, personally. The fact that the post is currently light grey gives me some hope that I'm not in the minority.

foolinaround 5y ago

while labeling does not help, we can all agree that Musk is privileged, but he is certainly not on the right.. Maybe, 'alt-left' similar to the existing 'alt-right' label?

FireBeyond 5y ago
No? Anti-union. Anti-labor. Very binary views on gender (this admittedly can cross the political spectrum). Donates to both parties, as almost all billionaires do, but donates $1MM to the Republican Party for every $140K he donates to the Democrats. "Certainly not right", how exactly?
jerojero 5y ago
I guess it depends on what you would consider is being "on the right" or "on the left". Personally I would consider Elon Musk very much economically right wing, and I think the question of ownership in the firm pertains to the economy. I don't really care much about Elon Musk's moral beliefs, I'm not trying to befriend the guy, I care much more about what he does with his money that affect society's power structures.