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Soon they will loop back around to banning / modifying the teaching of evolutionary theory like some tried in the recent past because of "religious" reasons.

bediger4000 4y ago
I have a suspicion that banning teaching evolution is the ultimate goal here. Or maybe just getting rid of public schools altogether, but leaving in place a mandate for children to get an 8th grade education. Religious schooling will always be cheaper, since we don't tax churches, so all the voucher money will go to schools that teach creationism.
- mardifoufs 4y ago
  I think that's just a variant of the slippery slope fallacy. There's nothing related to religion here, and they have not mentioned anything about evolution.
  - JaimeThompson 4y ago
    Actually they have if you look at some of the groups that support some of this stuff and the language they use. Very reminiscent of the language used in their attempts to ban evolutionary teaching and related subjects. A lot of the same groups against CRT are also against LGBTQ rights on the basis of religious beliefs.
  - seanicus 4y ago
    “Our desire is to … confront the culture in which we all live today in ways which will continue to advance God’s kingdom, not to stay in our own safe territories,” Betsy DeVos said. Cited from this article: https://religionnews.com/2017/02/06/5-faith-facts-betsy-devos-trumps-pick-for-secretary-of-education/ https://religionnews.com/2017/02/06/5-faith-facts-betsy-devo... Are you so far inside your bubble that you can't connect conservative values aligned to religious thinking to the conservative push to defund public education benefitting private parochial schools?
    - mardifoufs 4y ago
      Not at all, I just don't think the tired late 2000s trope of the religious boogeyman is still really relevant. The entire debate has shifted to something else, and honestly even amongst conservatives they don't have much of a voice anymore
    - kcplate 4y ago
      > Are you so far inside your bubble that you can't connect conservative values aligned to religious thinking to the conservative push to defund public education benefitting private parochial schools You know its funny. I always hear this “folk devil” described regarding the charter school movement, yet my SIL works at a teacher at a charter school that has no religious curriculum. Its oriented to exploring the use of novel teaching methodologies not yet adopted by the public schools and quite successful. Its in a more economically depressed area, which serves the kids in that area quite well and is sought after educational center for parents in that area, because the public school is crap (and was crap before the charters opened). This in large part why charter school initiatives poll well in economically depressed communities. Do some parochial schools benefit? Sure. Is the charter school movement only for parochial schools? Nope.
      - dragonwriter 4y ago
        > You know its funny. I always hear this “folk devil” described regarding the charter school movement Only indirectly. It's about the voucher movement (parochial schools can't be charter schools). The main connection to the charter movement (with regard to support specifically for parochial schools) is that the pro-parochial voucher movement sometimes uses push for charters as an Overton-window shifting technique to break down resistance to public funding of private schools where they can't win outright. (The voucher and charter movements are more deeply connected through the broader private-for-profit schooling industry and it's lobbying, but that's a different angle than the parochial schooling one, though it connects back because the industry definitely uses the religious community much the same way the auto insurance industry uses MADD.)
      - JaimeThompson 4y ago
        There are a lot of different types of charter schools with vastly different rules and regulations.
- krapp 4y ago
  The ultimate goal is to entrench white christian conservative power in the face of impending demographic minority and progressive political inter-generational drift. Demonizing and suppressing black scholarship and whitewashing historical and cultural narratives through education is one means to that end.

bediger4000 4y ago

I have a suspicion that banning teaching evolution is the ultimate goal here. Or maybe just getting rid of public schools altogether, but leaving in place a mandate for children to get an 8th grade education. Religious schooling will always be cheaper, since we don't tax churches, so all the voucher money will go to schools that teach creationism.

mardifoufs 4y ago
I think that's just a variant of the slippery slope fallacy. There's nothing related to religion here, and they have not mentioned anything about evolution.
- JaimeThompson 4y ago
  Actually they have if you look at some of the groups that support some of this stuff and the language they use. Very reminiscent of the language used in their attempts to ban evolutionary teaching and related subjects. A lot of the same groups against CRT are also against LGBTQ rights on the basis of religious beliefs.
- seanicus 4y ago
  “Our desire is to … confront the culture in which we all live today in ways which will continue to advance God’s kingdom, not to stay in our own safe territories,” Betsy DeVos said. Cited from this article: https://religionnews.com/2017/02/06/5-faith-facts-betsy-devos-trumps-pick-for-secretary-of-education/ https://religionnews.com/2017/02/06/5-faith-facts-betsy-devo... Are you so far inside your bubble that you can't connect conservative values aligned to religious thinking to the conservative push to defund public education benefitting private parochial schools?
  - mardifoufs 4y ago
    Not at all, I just don't think the tired late 2000s trope of the religious boogeyman is still really relevant. The entire debate has shifted to something else, and honestly even amongst conservatives they don't have much of a voice anymore
  - kcplate 4y ago
    > Are you so far inside your bubble that you can't connect conservative values aligned to religious thinking to the conservative push to defund public education benefitting private parochial schools You know its funny. I always hear this “folk devil” described regarding the charter school movement, yet my SIL works at a teacher at a charter school that has no religious curriculum. Its oriented to exploring the use of novel teaching methodologies not yet adopted by the public schools and quite successful. Its in a more economically depressed area, which serves the kids in that area quite well and is sought after educational center for parents in that area, because the public school is crap (and was crap before the charters opened). This in large part why charter school initiatives poll well in economically depressed communities. Do some parochial schools benefit? Sure. Is the charter school movement only for parochial schools? Nope.
    - dragonwriter 4y ago
      > You know its funny. I always hear this “folk devil” described regarding the charter school movement Only indirectly. It's about the voucher movement (parochial schools can't be charter schools). The main connection to the charter movement (with regard to support specifically for parochial schools) is that the pro-parochial voucher movement sometimes uses push for charters as an Overton-window shifting technique to break down resistance to public funding of private schools where they can't win outright. (The voucher and charter movements are more deeply connected through the broader private-for-profit schooling industry and it's lobbying, but that's a different angle than the parochial schooling one, though it connects back because the industry definitely uses the religious community much the same way the auto insurance industry uses MADD.)
    - JaimeThompson 4y ago
      There are a lot of different types of charter schools with vastly different rules and regulations.
krapp 4y ago
The ultimate goal is to entrench white christian conservative power in the face of impending demographic minority and progressive political inter-generational drift. Demonizing and suppressing black scholarship and whitewashing historical and cultural narratives through education is one means to that end.