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With so little information it's not clear what we can discuss.

civilized 5y ago
Agreed. It seems useless and brain cell-killing to be subjected to the hot takes from each side's chattering class, without access to the exact books and passages that led to these bans.
- coldcode 5y ago
  There is no details for the exact reason that Florida did not supply any details other than the negative hot-button words. Complaining the coverage is inadequate is silly since the whole story is that Florida banned textbooks without saying what. I can accept a detailed list of examples of things that are not acceptable. Banning books without any detail is the story.
  - chmod600 5y ago
    "Banning books without any detail is the story." But is it? The headline seems focused on the hot-button issue rather than the process. And it provides no context about the scope of the problem (is Florida's process an outlier here?), or other examples.
    - civilized 5y ago
      I think the hot take culture war approach to the issue reduces the pressure for transparency, since the hot take generators act as if they have everything they need to decide exactly what to think without any further data. My guess is that the books were banned for bad reasons, but my guesses aren't of much value without verification.
Volundr 5y ago
Really? We can't discuss the fact that our government is making decisions about what teachers can and can't teach children, and have decided they can keep the entire process, including their decisions secret from us? That feels like enough to discuss to me.
- chmod600 5y ago
  If we wanted to discuss that topic, is this article the right place to start? What is Florida's process? How does it differ from other states? What is the role of human discretion? What are some other examples of how this process plays out? We are left to guess. Or maybe some comments here will offer the information. Either way, a bad, clickbait article.
- kcplate 5y ago
  > We can't discuss the fact that our government is making decisions about what teachers can and can't teach children If public school teachers made the decisions than the government would be making the decisions. Public school teachers in Florida (and frankly elsewhere in the US) are government employees. This is a government setting teaching standards for itself, its literally what government has been doing since it got into the public education business. In Florida (and frankly elsewhere in the US) private schools can set and choose their own curriculums. If the public curriculum is not to your liking, go private. I believe even in Florida, you can opt in to charter schools too, which have more curriculum flexibility than the public schools.

Agreed. It seems useless and brain cell-killing to be subjected to the hot takes from each side's chattering class, without access to the exact books and passages that led to these bans.

coldcode 5y ago
There is no details for the exact reason that Florida did not supply any details other than the negative hot-button words. Complaining the coverage is inadequate is silly since the whole story is that Florida banned textbooks without saying what. I can accept a detailed list of examples of things that are not acceptable. Banning books without any detail is the story.
- chmod600 5y ago
  "Banning books without any detail is the story." But is it? The headline seems focused on the hot-button issue rather than the process. And it provides no context about the scope of the problem (is Florida's process an outlier here?), or other examples.
  - civilized 5y ago
    I think the hot take culture war approach to the issue reduces the pressure for transparency, since the hot take generators act as if they have everything they need to decide exactly what to think without any further data. My guess is that the books were banned for bad reasons, but my guesses aren't of much value without verification.

Volundr 5y ago

Really? We can't discuss the fact that our government is making decisions about what teachers can and can't teach children, and have decided they can keep the entire process, including their decisions secret from us? That feels like enough to discuss to me.

chmod600 5y ago
If we wanted to discuss that topic, is this article the right place to start? What is Florida's process? How does it differ from other states? What is the role of human discretion? What are some other examples of how this process plays out? We are left to guess. Or maybe some comments here will offer the information. Either way, a bad, clickbait article.
kcplate 5y ago
> We can't discuss the fact that our government is making decisions about what teachers can and can't teach children If public school teachers made the decisions than the government would be making the decisions. Public school teachers in Florida (and frankly elsewhere in the US) are government employees. This is a government setting teaching standards for itself, its literally what government has been doing since it got into the public education business. In Florida (and frankly elsewhere in the US) private schools can set and choose their own curriculums. If the public curriculum is not to your liking, go private. I believe even in Florida, you can opt in to charter schools too, which have more curriculum flexibility than the public schools.