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This story doesn’t add up. You need an ID to pick up cash from western union, why would showing an ID to get sim cards be an issue at all? Odds are that this S

by rosndo 4y ago

This story doesn’t add up. You need an ID to pick up cash from western union, why would showing an ID to get sim cards be an issue at all? Odds are that this SIM card legislation actually had nothing to do with the scam fading anyway. The village I’m from is internationally famous for internet scams, they’ve changed over the years because both the potential victims and scammers have become more savvy. Not due to legislation.

mrtksn 4y ago
It's not about the identity of the person but the limit of SIM cards per person per year. Not just showing an ID, a copy of the ID is stored in the records and you are not allowed to buy more than 10 SIM cards a year. Just because someone says that they are scammed, the authorities would not simply prevent the alleged scammer from making calls or receiving money. Since Bulgaria and Turkey are two separate jurisdictions, the scammed person from Turkey will need to prove in Bulgaria that someone scammed them.How are you supposed to prove what she said to you on the phone? Once the mone is transferred, it's gone. To receive a Western Union transfer all you need is a name and a code.
- rosndo 4y ago
  But why does the amount sim cards matter for this scam? How many hundreds of sim cards do you need? Surely it’s easy to find other people to buy sim cards for you?
  - mrtksn 4y ago
    Because they need to change SIM's all the time. There are websites listing suspicious numbers, simply Googling the number reveals if the number is is used for scamming. Unsuccessful or successful attempts often result someone writing about it in one of those phone number websites. I don't know if the SIM card limit is by national ID number or operator but there are not that many GSM operators in Bulgaria anyway, it's a small country. There were more before but they merged and now there are 3 in total.
    - rosndo 4y ago
      But surely the victims are not sophisticated enough to google numbers? And even if they are, how hard can it be to find some poor people to go get 10 sim cards for 10 euros? I know that wouldn’t be hard at all in my village. Or to just corrupt one guy working for the telco and get unlimited SIMs registered using fake IDs? Or not corrupt anyone and just go get SIM cards with trivial to fake Romanian ID cards?

by rosndo 4y ago

mrtksn 4y ago

It's not about the identity of the person but the limit of SIM cards per person per year. Not just showing an ID, a copy of the ID is stored in the records and you are not allowed to buy more than 10 SIM cards a year. Just because someone says that they are scammed, the authorities would not simply prevent the alleged scammer from making calls or receiving money. Since Bulgaria and Turkey are two separate jurisdictions, the scammed person from Turkey will need to prove in Bulgaria that someone scammed them.How are you supposed to prove what she said to you on the phone? Once the mone is transferred, it's gone. To receive a Western Union transfer all you need is a name and a code.

rosndo 4y ago
But why does the amount sim cards matter for this scam? How many hundreds of sim cards do you need? Surely it’s easy to find other people to buy sim cards for you?
- mrtksn 4y ago
  Because they need to change SIM's all the time. There are websites listing suspicious numbers, simply Googling the number reveals if the number is is used for scamming. Unsuccessful or successful attempts often result someone writing about it in one of those phone number websites. I don't know if the SIM card limit is by national ID number or operator but there are not that many GSM operators in Bulgaria anyway, it's a small country. There were more before but they merged and now there are 3 in total.
  - rosndo 4y ago
    But surely the victims are not sophisticated enough to google numbers? And even if they are, how hard can it be to find some poor people to go get 10 sim cards for 10 euros? I know that wouldn’t be hard at all in my village. Or to just corrupt one guy working for the telco and get unlimited SIMs registered using fake IDs? Or not corrupt anyone and just go get SIM cards with trivial to fake Romanian ID cards?