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> The older I get the more inconsistencies and instabilities I hear in dieting advice. I'm old enough to remember when fat was the bad guy and sugar was maybe o

> The older I get the more inconsistencies and instabilities I hear in dieting advice. I'm old enough to remember when fat was the bad guy and sugar was maybe ok It feels to me like humanity as a whole hasn't necessarily properly figured all of this out, and might not do that in the near future. Personally, i've found the advice of "Eat food. Not too much. Mostly plants." to be rather sensible and work for me, as far as general wellbeing is concerned. If you don't eat too many processed snacks and can have a bit of exercise daily, then you should be doing pretty decently.

inglor_cz 5y ago
I like plants and I can easily reduce meat consumption to a fraction of the usual norm, but I notice that without any animal products at all, I feel sluggish. It is extra noticeable on longer hikes in uneven terrain. Things like cheese or eggs invigorate me.
- KronisLV 5y ago
  That is a very fair point! Personally it's also kind of why i wouldn't suggest that people go fully vegetarian/vegan either, except for maybe short amounts of time (e.g. should they desire to look into raising awareness, seeing what produce is sold locally etc.), since having a balanced diet can be challenging! I occasionally get my bloodwork done and my doctor suggests that i should get a bit more vitamin D, as well as perhaps look into other multivitamin supplies during the winters, so i certainly do that (and try to eat more fish and so on). While human diets can be slightly "experimented" with and various options be explored, i probably should add a disclaimer somewhere that the diets of pets probably shouldn't be - my dogs, for example, enjoy fresh meat pretty regularly as well as whatever the vets recommend.
Ekaros 5y ago
I believe that there is no unified correct diet. It depends on individual activity, gut fauna and genetics. And we probably know somewhat enough of one of those and looking at people in trades and like that could or should get enough activity even that might be questionable.
- KronisLV 5y ago
  > It depends on individual activity, gut fauna and genetics. I'd suggest that it can also depend on where one lives: the "optimal" diets of someone in Egypt, Norway and Australia might all differ as well, due to the different conditions in each place. That said, it's not like we can't offer some general recommendations for most folk: someone who subsists off of processed foods with plenty of sugar/palm oil in them is unlikely to be that much healthier than someone who has a reasonable amount of vegetables/greens in their meals. Though the more specific you try to get, the more curious things become: for example, the statement about eating more plant based stuff might have some opponents in the circles of people who are going for a keto diet - while i can't comment on how effective/healthy it is, i find it interesting and worthy of consideration as well.
  - Ekaros 5y ago
    It actually always surprises me just how long human can live when they don't outright starve to death. Or reach crazy levels of obesity (like multiple hundreds of kilograms. And as person without kids I wonder what is good enough lifespan anyway if you are happy during it 40, 50 or 60 years? Or has it go to close to 80 or 90?

inglor_cz 5y ago

I like plants and I can easily reduce meat consumption to a fraction of the usual norm, but I notice that without any animal products at all, I feel sluggish. It is extra noticeable on longer hikes in uneven terrain. Things like cheese or eggs invigorate me.

KronisLV 5y ago
That is a very fair point! Personally it's also kind of why i wouldn't suggest that people go fully vegetarian/vegan either, except for maybe short amounts of time (e.g. should they desire to look into raising awareness, seeing what produce is sold locally etc.), since having a balanced diet can be challenging! I occasionally get my bloodwork done and my doctor suggests that i should get a bit more vitamin D, as well as perhaps look into other multivitamin supplies during the winters, so i certainly do that (and try to eat more fish and so on). While human diets can be slightly "experimented" with and various options be explored, i probably should add a disclaimer somewhere that the diets of pets probably shouldn't be - my dogs, for example, enjoy fresh meat pretty regularly as well as whatever the vets recommend.

Ekaros 5y ago

I believe that there is no unified correct diet. It depends on individual activity, gut fauna and genetics. And we probably know somewhat enough of one of those and looking at people in trades and like that could or should get enough activity even that might be questionable.

KronisLV 5y ago
> It depends on individual activity, gut fauna and genetics. I'd suggest that it can also depend on where one lives: the "optimal" diets of someone in Egypt, Norway and Australia might all differ as well, due to the different conditions in each place. That said, it's not like we can't offer some general recommendations for most folk: someone who subsists off of processed foods with plenty of sugar/palm oil in them is unlikely to be that much healthier than someone who has a reasonable amount of vegetables/greens in their meals. Though the more specific you try to get, the more curious things become: for example, the statement about eating more plant based stuff might have some opponents in the circles of people who are going for a keto diet - while i can't comment on how effective/healthy it is, i find it interesting and worthy of consideration as well.
- Ekaros 5y ago
  It actually always surprises me just how long human can live when they don't outright starve to death. Or reach crazy levels of obesity (like multiple hundreds of kilograms. And as person without kids I wonder what is good enough lifespan anyway if you are happy during it 40, 50 or 60 years? Or has it go to close to 80 or 90?