I don't see people upset at the idea as opponents, ideological or otherwise. They have spelled out their position, and I accept it at face value. But they are

I don't see people upset at the idea as opponents, ideological or otherwise. They have spelled out their position, and I accept it at face value. But they are not really participating in the discussion, which is about facts. However, I have just read a fair bit of Tim O'Neill's writing, and recognize I will need to read more deeply to be able to hold a non-laughable opinion.