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Filtering out prima donnas who claim they need the exact right dev environment to write out a function is another feature of this question. They’re never produ

Filtering out prima donnas who claim they need the exact right dev environment to write out a function is another feature of this question. They’re never productive developers.

eyelidlessness 5y ago
This is ableist whether you realize it or not. People tailor their dev environments to be functional and effective for them not just to cater to their whims, many of us actually need certain accommodations to be able to work and to be able to do so at our level of effectiveness. I’m quite productive thank you. But if you stand me up in front of a whiteboard or sit me in front of an unfamiliar code editor, I’m gonna produce nothing of value. If you’re filtering me out for that: thank you, I don’t want to work for/with you either
- renewiltord 5y ago
  That makes it seem like a great test, right? It detects environments with mutual lack-of-fit. You don’t want to work there. They don’t what you to work there. Outcome from experiment: both realize this. As far as interviews go, it’s pretty good.
  - eyelidlessness 5y ago
    This is ableist too. You might be relieved to eliminate candidates who could be a great fit with some accommodation. You’re eliminating people unnecessarily, and it harms both you and the candidates.
    - macintux 5y ago
      As the originator of the question addressed elsewhere in these comments, they gave advance notice to the candidates and worked with them to provide an alternative setup as needed. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31065861 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31065861
- Ferrotin 5y ago
  The “accommodation” of having vim macros set up. Yes, hiring is supposed to be “ableist.” I don’t want to work with or hire mentally limited people who couldn’t write a function in Notepad.
  - eyelidlessness 5y ago
    The accommodation is allowing people to use tools which allow them to be effective. The ableism is finding people “mentally limited” because they may need affordances (often but not always) physical to contribute. Hiring is supposed to be qualifying. Qualified people using completely irrelevant-to-the-task assistive tooling is none of your fucking business. Unless the job you’re hiring for requires coding in Notepad, your expectation that interviewers do is discriminating probably illegally but definitely immorally. And probably also limiting your hiring pool in ways you don’t want. Not a problem for me in this particular aspect, I’m never going to seek employment from you. But disadvantaging people who need accessibility tools is shitty.

Filtering out prima donnas who claim they need the exact right dev environment to write out a function is another feature of this question. They’re never productive developers.

eyelidlessness 5y ago

This is ableist whether you realize it or not. People tailor their dev environments to be functional and effective for them not just to cater to their whims, many of us actually need certain accommodations to be able to work and to be able to do so at our level of effectiveness. I’m quite productive thank you. But if you stand me up in front of a whiteboard or sit me in front of an unfamiliar code editor, I’m gonna produce nothing of value. If you’re filtering me out for that: thank you, I don’t want to work for/with you either

renewiltord 5y ago
That makes it seem like a great test, right? It detects environments with mutual lack-of-fit. You don’t want to work there. They don’t what you to work there. Outcome from experiment: both realize this. As far as interviews go, it’s pretty good.
- eyelidlessness 5y ago
  This is ableist too. You might be relieved to eliminate candidates who could be a great fit with some accommodation. You’re eliminating people unnecessarily, and it harms both you and the candidates.
  - macintux 5y ago
    As the originator of the question addressed elsewhere in these comments, they gave advance notice to the candidates and worked with them to provide an alternative setup as needed. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31065861 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31065861
Ferrotin 5y ago
The “accommodation” of having vim macros set up. Yes, hiring is supposed to be “ableist.” I don’t want to work with or hire mentally limited people who couldn’t write a function in Notepad.
- eyelidlessness 5y ago
  The accommodation is allowing people to use tools which allow them to be effective. The ableism is finding people “mentally limited” because they may need affordances (often but not always) physical to contribute. Hiring is supposed to be qualifying. Qualified people using completely irrelevant-to-the-task assistive tooling is none of your fucking business. Unless the job you’re hiring for requires coding in Notepad, your expectation that interviewers do is discriminating probably illegally but definitely immorally. And probably also limiting your hiring pool in ways you don’t want. Not a problem for me in this particular aspect, I’m never going to seek employment from you. But disadvantaging people who need accessibility tools is shitty.