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Would you have the same opinion if instead of "how many people from each racial group are likely experiencing food insecurity across the U.S.?" it was "committi

Would you have the same opinion if instead of "how many people from each racial group are likely experiencing food insecurity across the U.S.?" it was "committing crimes" or "receiving welfare"?

derevaunseraun 4y ago
No because it could lead to bullying in the classroom For the record, if it was a question about hate crimes or serial killers I would also oppose it for the exact same reason
- Ferrotin 4y ago
  But being incapable of providing for yourself and your family wouldn’t?
- yes_really 4y ago
  So if it didn't lead to bullying in the classroom you would be in favor of having those questions in the math textbooks?
- MathCodeLove 4y ago
  Do you think that the food insecurity example may not produce a feeling of pity towards minority students, and a feeling of rejection in the minority students themselves? The problem with this isn't the facts being presented, but the fact that when these sort of facts are needlessly inserted into every possible area of a child's education that child will then have a fundamentally different outlook and racial division will only rise as these differences are expounded
  - derevaunseraun 4y ago
    > Do you think that the food insecurity example may not produce a feeling of pity towards minority students, and a feeling of rejection in the minority students themselves? It could. I don't disagree with this objection, but at the same time this argument isn't just confined to math but also other subjects. I think that trying to cover up current socioeconomic divisions is on par with covering up less tasteful parts of US history, both are whitewashing. The world isn't perfect, we shouldn't pretend that it is > The problem with this isn't the facts being presented, but the fact that when these sort of facts are needlessly inserted into every possible area of a child's education that child will then have a fundamentally different outlook and racial division will only rise as these differences are expounded I wouldn't describe acknowledging things that elicit discomfort as "needless insertions". Also they aren't inserted everywhere (as far as I know...) I don't think acknowledging a situation will necessarily exacerbate it. I think the first step to moving beyond a situation is acknowledging it
    - MathCodeLove 4y ago
      I don't disagree that these things should be acknowledged and taught, but only in the proper setting. Constantly hammering every existing racial disparity into a child's mind is what I'm concerned about. Math isn't a place for this, history and social studies is.
- choko 4y ago
  It's interesting that you mention hate crimes as if they are proportional to a certain (white) demographic. Statistics state otherwise. https://ucr.fbi.gov/hate-crime/2019/topic-pages/offenders https://ucr.fbi.gov/hate-crime/2019/topic-pages/offenders
  - derevaunseraun 4y ago

Would you have the same opinion if instead of "how many people from each racial group are likely experiencing food insecurity across the U.S.?" it was "committing crimes" or "receiving welfare"?

derevaunseraun 4y ago

No because it could lead to bullying in the classroom For the record, if it was a question about hate crimes or serial killers I would also oppose it for the exact same reason

Ferrotin 4y ago
But being incapable of providing for yourself and your family wouldn’t?
yes_really 4y ago
So if it didn't lead to bullying in the classroom you would be in favor of having those questions in the math textbooks?
MathCodeLove 4y ago
Do you think that the food insecurity example may not produce a feeling of pity towards minority students, and a feeling of rejection in the minority students themselves? The problem with this isn't the facts being presented, but the fact that when these sort of facts are needlessly inserted into every possible area of a child's education that child will then have a fundamentally different outlook and racial division will only rise as these differences are expounded
- derevaunseraun 4y ago
  > Do you think that the food insecurity example may not produce a feeling of pity towards minority students, and a feeling of rejection in the minority students themselves? It could. I don't disagree with this objection, but at the same time this argument isn't just confined to math but also other subjects. I think that trying to cover up current socioeconomic divisions is on par with covering up less tasteful parts of US history, both are whitewashing. The world isn't perfect, we shouldn't pretend that it is > The problem with this isn't the facts being presented, but the fact that when these sort of facts are needlessly inserted into every possible area of a child's education that child will then have a fundamentally different outlook and racial division will only rise as these differences are expounded I wouldn't describe acknowledging things that elicit discomfort as "needless insertions". Also they aren't inserted everywhere (as far as I know...) I don't think acknowledging a situation will necessarily exacerbate it. I think the first step to moving beyond a situation is acknowledging it
  - MathCodeLove 4y ago
    I don't disagree that these things should be acknowledged and taught, but only in the proper setting. Constantly hammering every existing racial disparity into a child's mind is what I'm concerned about. Math isn't a place for this, history and social studies is.
choko 4y ago
It's interesting that you mention hate crimes as if they are proportional to a certain (white) demographic. Statistics state otherwise. https://ucr.fbi.gov/hate-crime/2019/topic-pages/offenders https://ucr.fbi.gov/hate-crime/2019/topic-pages/offenders
- derevaunseraun 4y ago