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1) McCain won't even remotely attempt to tie this to Obama. I don't think that is necessarily true - even if McCain doesn't directly comment, that's not to say

by froo 18y ago

1) McCain won't even remotely attempt to tie this to Obama. I don't think that is necessarily true - even if McCain doesn't directly comment, that's not to say that other's wont (I'm fairly sure Bill O`Reilly will have something to say for example). The Palin email hacking was a big news story in the US but barely registered in the news media in other countries around the world (even those that do follow the election closely). 2) In America, the rich old white male (especially one who doesn't know how many homes he owns) is never seen as the underdog to the young black man, even if he is. Absolutely agree, but have you looked at the trends data of McCain/Palin/Obama lately? (http://google.com/trends?q=obama%2C+mccain%2C+palin&ctab=0&geo=all&date=mtd&sort=0 http://google.com/trends?q=obama%2C+mccain%2C+palin&ctab...) Palin is more of an underdog than Obama, the people are more interested in Palin at the moment than either Obama or McCain and the republicans know this. Why else would it have been suggested that McCain and Palin campaign together even though traditionally the Pres/VP candidates for each party campaign independently. 3) Most of our worst leaders weren't noobs. I would never suggest that McCain isn't a good candidate, as that's simply not true... I just think there were more qualified VP candidates than Palin and I think it was an irresponsible political stunt. (And don't get me wrong, I'm terrified as shit of having her as President, but it's not due to her inexperience). Agreed. It was 4am when I wrote my original post, so perhaps I should have left in the original bits I deleted about my thoughts on Palin's stance on creationism and banning of books Anyway, I've said what I thought, I expected to get downmodded to hell but I'll leave it at that and head to bed.

hugh 18y ago
1: The Palin email hacking wasn't a particularly big story in the US media either -- I don't recall seeing it as the top story on any newspaper, although admittedly it hasn't exactly been a slow news week. Overall the incident is a net win for the Republicans (it could easily have been a net loss if anything really incriminating had been found) but it's a small story in the scheme of things, and it'll drift into the background noise as soon as next week's minor (or perhaps major) political scandal happens. 2) If google trends were a good indicator for elections, then our president would be "britney spears naked pictures" with "generic viagra" as her VP. 3) It's possible you might have heard some of the many false rumours about some of Sarah Palin's positions -- doing a bit of research might put your mind at ease on some of those. In particular, she never supported putting anything other than evolution on the school curriculum, and she never tried to ban any books either. (Oh and while we're at it, she doesn't support abstinence-only sex education and she didn't pose in a bikini holding a rifle either.)
- froo 18y ago
  2) If google trends were a good indicator for elections, then our president would be "britney spears naked pictures" with "generic viagra" as her VP. Yet you have Arnold Schwarzenegger as Californian Governor? In countries where voting is compulsory, it is generally the more "visible" candidate that wins. So visibility is definitely a factor in politics. Politics is all about perception. 3) It's possible you might have heard some of the many false rumours about some of Sarah Palin's positions I never said that they were true (I had actually written it but removed it because it would have tilted my argument more towards Palin bashing and less about the general argument I was trying to make)- Politics is all about perception, that's why there is a lot of mudslinging and misinformation. doing a bit of research might put your mind at ease on some of those. she never tried to ban any books either. She may have not formally instigated a process into banning books, but that doesn't mean that when she spoke to Ms Ellons (the Wasillan librarian at the time) about how she should go about getting books banned and then threatening to fire her for not having full support that it wasn't an issue.
  - anamax 18y ago
    > She may have not formally instigated a process into banning books, but that doesn't mean that when she spoke to Ms Baker (the Wasillan librarian at the time) about how she should go about getting books banned That's not what she asked. Moreover, why should librarians be the last word on book selection? (Librarians are political creatures too.) > and then threatening to fire her for not having full support that it wasn't an issue. Palin fired the librarian for supporting a political rival. Politics isn't bean bag.
    - froo 18y ago
      > Moreover, why should librarians be the last word on book selection? (Librarians are political creatures too.) Realistically, for a country who holds some core ideologies such as the freedom of speech and the seperation of church and state, having a politician want to ban books because of religious views supports neither of these ideologies. The reprinted article was removed from the Frontiersman website (the newspaper that ran the original story in 1996) but Google's cache still has it here. http://209.85.175.104/search?q=cache:kJ5GvRlb5GQJ:www.frontiersman.com/articles/2008/09/07/breaking_news/doc48c1c8a60d6d9379155484.txt+frontiersman+emmons&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=au&client=firefox-a http://209.85.175.104/search?q=cache:kJ5GvRlb5GQJ:www.fronti... > Palin fired the librarian for supporting a political rival. The point isn't that she fired the librarian for supporting a political rival, the point is that this woman has views that could be considered ... damn whats the word I'm looking for... it's like counterproductive. Non-progressive would be a good fit, but its not the word I'm looking for.

by froo 18y ago

hugh 18y ago

1: The Palin email hacking wasn't a particularly big story in the US media either -- I don't recall seeing it as the top story on any newspaper, although admittedly it hasn't exactly been a slow news week. Overall the incident is a net win for the Republicans (it could easily have been a net loss if anything really incriminating had been found) but it's a small story in the scheme of things, and it'll drift into the background noise as soon as next week's minor (or perhaps major) political scandal happens. 2) If google trends were a good indicator for elections, then our president would be "britney spears naked pictures" with "generic viagra" as her VP. 3) It's possible you might have heard some of the many false rumours about some of Sarah Palin's positions -- doing a bit of research might put your mind at ease on some of those. In particular, she never supported putting anything other than evolution on the school curriculum, and she never tried to ban any books either. (Oh and while we're at it, she doesn't support abstinence-only sex education and she didn't pose in a bikini holding a rifle either.)

froo 18y ago
2) If google trends were a good indicator for elections, then our president would be "britney spears naked pictures" with "generic viagra" as her VP. Yet you have Arnold Schwarzenegger as Californian Governor? In countries where voting is compulsory, it is generally the more "visible" candidate that wins. So visibility is definitely a factor in politics. Politics is all about perception. 3) It's possible you might have heard some of the many false rumours about some of Sarah Palin's positions I never said that they were true (I had actually written it but removed it because it would have tilted my argument more towards Palin bashing and less about the general argument I was trying to make)- Politics is all about perception, that's why there is a lot of mudslinging and misinformation. doing a bit of research might put your mind at ease on some of those. she never tried to ban any books either. She may have not formally instigated a process into banning books, but that doesn't mean that when she spoke to Ms Ellons (the Wasillan librarian at the time) about how she should go about getting books banned and then threatening to fire her for not having full support that it wasn't an issue.
- anamax 18y ago
  > She may have not formally instigated a process into banning books, but that doesn't mean that when she spoke to Ms Baker (the Wasillan librarian at the time) about how she should go about getting books banned That's not what she asked. Moreover, why should librarians be the last word on book selection? (Librarians are political creatures too.) > and then threatening to fire her for not having full support that it wasn't an issue. Palin fired the librarian for supporting a political rival. Politics isn't bean bag.
  - froo 18y ago
    > Moreover, why should librarians be the last word on book selection? (Librarians are political creatures too.) Realistically, for a country who holds some core ideologies such as the freedom of speech and the seperation of church and state, having a politician want to ban books because of religious views supports neither of these ideologies. The reprinted article was removed from the Frontiersman website (the newspaper that ran the original story in 1996) but Google's cache still has it here. http://209.85.175.104/search?q=cache:kJ5GvRlb5GQJ:www.frontiersman.com/articles/2008/09/07/breaking_news/doc48c1c8a60d6d9379155484.txt+frontiersman+emmons&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=au&client=firefox-a http://209.85.175.104/search?q=cache:kJ5GvRlb5GQJ:www.fronti... > Palin fired the librarian for supporting a political rival. The point isn't that she fired the librarian for supporting a political rival, the point is that this woman has views that could be considered ... damn whats the word I'm looking for... it's like counterproductive. Non-progressive would be a good fit, but its not the word I'm looking for.