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There’s nothing awkward about that “insertion” at all, Jesus repeatedly insists over the course of the gospels that the Jewish authorities are going to kill him
by Amezarak 5y ago
There’s nothing awkward about that “insertion” at all, Jesus repeatedly insists over the course of the gospels that the Jewish authorities are going to kill him, they actually attempt to stone him at multiple points, and he tells lots of parables to enrage them that also include this feature, such as the parable of the vineyard, where the keepers kill the master’s son, and then the master comes and kills them all. And he accuses them of killing all the other prophets too!
And of course you end up having to change the whole narrative to sustain this, too - the charges of blasphemy, the betrayal of Judas, etc.
The argument that the passages you cite are insertions just makes no sense, they are totally in keeping with all the rest. If you want to say it’s all inspired anti-semitism, fair enough and there’s probably some truth to it, but there’s no reason to think that those passages alone are fake. It’s probably also worth keeping in mind that the people who wrote this were probably also all Jewish.
- throw__away7391 5y ago> they actually attempt to stone him at multiple points Right, so they are also alleged to have killed others, and suddenly for Jesus it is claimed that they "don't have the authority" and need Pilate to do it. Written by a child.
- Amezarak 5y agoThe stonings would have been illegal under Roman law and would have resulted in severe punishment by the authorities. That’s exactly why in any case they would have had to obtain approval from/remand the case to Pilate. We have many other documented such incidents resulting in dire consequences. Pilate himself would have been averse to allow mob violence not just because it was illegal but because allowing such to take place as the Roman in charge would have likely merited punishment for him as well especially if it got more out of hand. Josephus is a great source on the historical situation of the time period, if you have the time to read the Antiquities and the Wars.
- ncmncm 5y agoI would want to know a lot more about the "chain of custody" of Josephus's text. Is there any copy of it that was never in the hands of the Church?