> although someone has to do that work I think this is the real crux of the matter: not everyone has the aptitude or interest to be a programmer or whatnot, an

> although someone has to do that work I think this is the real crux of the matter: not everyone has the aptitude or interest to be a programmer or whatnot, and that's perfectly fine! The whole "lift yourself out of poverty by learning X" is not necessarily bad advice – it's good advice actually, and I did it myself – but when you're talking about society as a whole it's missing the point that: ... even if everyone learns all the skills in the world, we're still going to need people at grocery stores, and support agents, and warehouse workers, and that kind of thing. So no matter which way, we still need to have a conversation about how to organize things so that everyone has a reasonably fair living wage (as well as what "fair" and "living wage" are, exactly).