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Show HN: Employees.fyi – Easily compare U.S. workforce demographic data

124 points by employeesfyi 5y ago

Hi HN! We built Employees.fyi to make it easy to compare U.S. workforce demographic data across companies and against industry reference data. In the U.S., the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission (EEOC) requires the collection and submission of demographic workforce data. We collected and organized the publicly available federal data from the EEOC as well as publicly available EEO-1 submissions from individual companies. By doing so, we hope to make it easy to compare U.S. workforce demographic data across companies and against industry reference data. The URL contains your current selection. Just copy the URL and share it! Some examples: * A comparison of 2018 data for the "Professionals" job category across the Information industry, Facebook, and Netflix: https://employees.fyi/?year=2018&job=PROFESSIONALS&reference=51&company1=Facebook&company2=Netflix https://employees.fyi/?year=2018&job=PROFESSIONALS&reference... * A comparison of 2018 data for all job categories across the Finance and Insurance industry, BlackRock, and PayPal: https://employees.fyi/?year=2018&job=ALL&reference=52&company1=BlackRock&company2=PayPal https://employees.fyi/?year=2018&job=ALL&reference=52&compan... * A comparison of 2018 data for the "Exec/Sr Officials & Managers" category across the Professional, Scientific, and Technical Services industry, Accenture, and Nvidia: https://employees.fyi/?year=2018&job=SRMANAGERS&reference=54&company1=Accenture&company2=Nvidia https://employees.fyi/?year=2018&job=SRMANAGERS&reference=54... If there's a company with EEO-1 data that you would like to see, consider submitting a URL via this form: https://forms.gle/8cVfXpg69fiiemzc8 https://forms.gle/8cVfXpg69fiiemzc8 Let us know what feedback you have for us! For those who are curious: at runtime, Employees.fyi uses normalize.css and the Open Sans font. They are hosted with the website.

magneticnorth 5y ago
This is really interesting! I'd love to be able to reference against US (and maybe world) population numbers, too, to see how a company's employee base compares to the population they hire from and (sometimes) the population they are trying to serve.
- employeesfyi 5y ago
  Thanks for the feedback and for checking out the site! We are considering expanding the reference column to have more options, including population and CBSA (core-based statistical area). This would also align with some of the aggregate data available from the EEOC. For example, companies could be compared against the "New York-Newark-Jersey City, NY-NJ-PA Metropolitan Statistical Area". More info: * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Core-based_statistical_area https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Core-based_statistical_area * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_core-based_statistical_areas https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_core-based_statistical...
gbear605 5y ago
Thanks for making this! One thing that would be great is an option to just show the race comparison or the gender comparison. If I’m comparing Alphabet with the tech sector in general, it currently shows that Alphabet is 37% white male while the sector in general is 39%. It’s hard to tell whether this is because Alphabet is less white than average, less male than average, or both.
- employeesfyi 5y ago
  Thanks for taking the time to try it out and comment! We definitely want to make it as easy as possible to do those comparisons and understand the data. For example, adding an additional selector to further tune the comparison as you are suggesting is definitely on the list.
cyanydeez 5y ago
I love the percentile median income data from bls.gov That'd be more useful to me.
ramesh31 5y ago
So eBay has a 0.63% share of black males, or 20 in the entire company across all roles. Cool. This industry is absolutely brutal if you are not white or asian, and that's seemingly just how it's gonna be.
- theduder99 5y ago
  nothing brutal about it. whats the percentage of asian females working as auto mechanics in the usa? if low, why is that?
  - ramesh31 5y ago
    Yeah. Know your place and all of that. Trust me, I get it. >"nothing brutal about it. whats the percentage of asian females working as auto mechanics in the usa? if low, why is that?" Because being an auto mechanic is a brutal physical job that destroys your body and pays a barely liveable wage. Something no one really wants to do regardless of gender or race. However, being a computer programmer is one of the best jobs on earth. We are paid like lawyers and coddled like children to write text files in our underwear. Everyone across the socioeconomic spectrum wants what we have. So why do only asians and whites get it?
    - wiseowise 5y ago
      > However, being a computer programmer is one of the best jobs on earth. To you, maybe. I’m going to surprise you, but just because you find X one of the best things in life and Y is worse than X to you – it doesn’t mean that X is universally better than Y for everyone. > We are paid like lawyers and coddled like children to write text files in our underwear. Because that’s what software engineering is. Uhuh. > Everyone across the socioeconomic spectrum wants what we have. And you found that where? On ad websites for every generic bootcamp?
  - danamit 5y ago
    It is a brutal reality no matter how you look at it, it means there is some kind of systematic failure, and I am not talking about the companies themselves, it is societies overall. There is less asian females doing manual labour because they can get better jobs.
mbesto 5y ago
You should be another column that shows the stacked column for entire adult population (or possibly "population that is employed or seeking employment")
- umeshunni 5y ago
  Or population of computer science / math graduates.
- employeesfyi 5y ago
  Thanks for checking it out and taking the time to comment! We are considering expanding the reference column to have more options, including population and CBSA (core-based statistical area). The idea of limiting it to "population employed/seeking employment" is certainly a way to mitigate some of the challenges of providing a general population comparison.
hsavit1 5y ago
There should really be a stat for US based employees & outsourced contract workers. Accenture has lots of overseas contract workers that they pay significantly less
- meowtimemania 5y ago
  By overseas contract worker do you mean immigrant in the us or someone employed in a country other than the us?
b20000 5y ago
and how does this benefit workers?
- wiseowise 5y ago
  It doesn’t.
  - b20000 5y ago
    ok then, next
myroon5 5y ago
Nice, simple feedback: I'd like to see more companies at once, ideally 5+ columns
- employeesfyi 5y ago
  Simple yet valuable. We will look at doing so on wider viewports!
kodah 5y ago
I would love to see veteran status on here. If you could delineate between officer and enlisted as well as campaign badge status, that'd be very revealing. I've had a tough time getting any of these stats out of my employers and we're frequently left off of DEI boards.
- smt88 5y ago
  What would that tell you about a company, though?
  - barry-cotter 5y ago
    Is this a hostile environment for former military personnel? If you were former military personnel that might be of interest. If you're of that segment of the left that hates the military you might be looking for companies with unusually low levels for its industry of former military personnel as a sign the company would be congenial.
    - _ktx2 5y ago
      I'm mainly interested in meeting people who I share a background with, especially campaign vets. Everything changed when I got out and my life, although somewhat metaphorically in the same place as my peers, is vastly different. It's nice to talk about stress, learning, pay/finances, dealing with hierarchy, vet issues, etc with someone who can contribute a bit more than nods and sympathy. The military keeps a lot of stats about post-service folks that they show you before you get out. One is that most veterans end up in blue collar fields, which is curious by itself given how technical many jobs are (the direct skills don't translate but the mindset does). The second is the graduation rate, which is generally why I encourage companies to hire SWEs without degrees (this also has overlap with other DEI goals). I don't worry about libertarians or the far left too much. Usually those folks warm up after a while once they realize you're not Baba Yaga.
    - smt88 5y ago
      The problem is that only a small percentage of Americans are veterans in the first place, and an even smaller percentage are going to be qualified for certain industries. So if you're looking at, say, a 300-person software company, it's very possible they support veterans, want to hire veterans, and have 0 veterans on staff. (There's also a huge difference between opposing military conflicts and supporting veterans, which is evident in the equal support for the VA among Democratic and Republican voters[1]). 1. https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2021/04/05/the-changing-face-of-americas-veteran-population/ https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2021/04/05/the-changin...
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twofornone 5y ago
I came to this post looking for salary data, and imagine my shock to see that according to the first link, as of 2018 only 40% of the industry consisted of white males. Yet here we are in 2022 and the fervor to discriminate against straight white males has only intensified. Unbelievable. It's no wonder white men are increasingly dropping out of a society which has become hostile to them while ostensibly in pursuit of "equity". ESG initiatives are a crime. Figuratively and literally. Absurd that people are so willing to go along with this crap - but not entirely difficult to believe when pushback carries the risk of termination.
- kaesar14 5y ago
  Isn’t 40% still an overrepresentation? I’m actually with you that ESG hiring isn’t all that useful but you’re acting like 40% isn’t more than healthy domination of one of the most powerful business sectors in the world.
  - twofornone 5y ago
    Is 40% a problem that needs correcting with overt, forced discrimination? Especially when the actual issue, that of the pipeline, is totally ignored when these hiring policies are dictated by activists and the investor class? And of course no one is complaining about the far greater overrepresentation of Asians. Unless it's politically expedient to claim that they're "white adjacent". There's no justification for any of this. Its pure, petty racism. We have regressed as a society.
  - decremental 5y ago
    100% wouldn't be an overrepresentation if that is the percent that is most qualified for the positions. The NBA isn't diversity hiring for their players. There's an obvious reason for that. The consequences of diversity hiring are going to catch up to us eventually, assuming they haven't already.
    - twofornone 5y ago
      >The consequences of diversity hiring are going to catch up to us eventually, assuming they haven't already. Especially when one takes two seconds to actually consider the implications of these policies: if you are going to far as to acknowledge that discrimination is ok because different demographics bring different professional attributes to the table, then you are implicitly acknowledging discrimination is OK because some of these attributes are worth more than others. You can't claim that diversity of skin color == diversity of thought and pretend that the differences are only positive - that's not logically consistent. Race blindness is the optimal solution so long as humans are products of genes and culture. We were on a decent path for a few decades - now all these policies are doing is justifying a resurgence of classical racism; except the racists think they have the moral imperative because they've convinced themselves that all of their ills, past and present, are entirely the fault of evil white men (and women when convenient). This is a disgusting, dangerous game, doubly so when you're not allowed to question it.
tzury 5y ago
-- With full discretion So I see that McDonalds is far more diversed than Netflix... However, an average salary in Netflix is 5-6 times more than the one in McDonalds. Meanning, one can support more people with their salary in Netflix (or Alphabet, Meta, Apple, et al). The impact on an entire family when a single member "makes it" to the outer circles. This is something I have learned on myself when I "made it" to the tech industry, ~25 years ago. https://employees.fyi/?year=2018&job=PROFESSIONALS&reference=51&company1=Netflix&company2=McDonald%E2%80%99s https://employees.fyi/?year=2018&job=PROFESSIONALS&reference...
rougka 5y ago
I’m not American so I may have a hard time following but can someone please explain why counting people by race isn’t deeply racist? Also this echos the numerus clausus system that deeply hurt Jews in the name of ‘overrepresentation’, why does anyone think this is any different?
- rectang 5y ago
  Pretending to be race blind just means giving racists free rein. "I don't see race therefore no racism could have occurred."
- warent 5y ago
  The information is voluntary. Individuals can submit a census with their race/ethnicity as "Prefer not to specify" The data can be used to help find if people are getting proper representation, etc. Racism is rooted in superiority. This is more like, race-consciousness, which is rooted in humane treatment and empathy
  - rougka 5y ago
    What is weird to me that this is a racist approach to society, racist as in believes that race is the way society is structured as opposed to for example a marxist class system and racist in its belief that fixing this should be done on a race by race basis I guess for me these statistics would be easier to digest if they were centered around poverity: e.g. How many cars did your family own, size of childhood home or something of that sort
    - taveras 5y ago
      It seems that you consider employers keeping track of employee race, ethnicity, and gender data discriminatory. Employers are required to provide this data to the U.S. Equal Employment Opportunity Commission: the federal agency charged with enforcing federal law which makes workspace discrimination illegal. This agency came to exist through the legendary Civil Rights Act of 1964, which was supported by Martin Luther King Jr., Malcolm X, along with Presidents JFK and LBJ. You'd be forgiven for not understanding American politics. But any American would be foolish to consider that race and ethnicity do not play a role in how our society is structured after over 200 years of slavery and nearly 100 years of Jim Crow. Racism has been a poison built into the structure of our country's institutions, and being race conscious is a part of the cure.

124 points by employeesfyi 5y ago

magneticnorth 5y ago

This is really interesting! I'd love to be able to reference against US (and maybe world) population numbers, too, to see how a company's employee base compares to the population they hire from and (sometimes) the population they are trying to serve.

employeesfyi 5y ago
Thanks for the feedback and for checking out the site! We are considering expanding the reference column to have more options, including population and CBSA (core-based statistical area). This would also align with some of the aggregate data available from the EEOC. For example, companies could be compared against the "New York-Newark-Jersey City, NY-NJ-PA Metropolitan Statistical Area". More info: * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Core-based_statistical_area https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Core-based_statistical_area * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_core-based_statistical_areas https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_core-based_statistical...

gbear605 5y ago

Thanks for making this! One thing that would be great is an option to just show the race comparison or the gender comparison. If I’m comparing Alphabet with the tech sector in general, it currently shows that Alphabet is 37% white male while the sector in general is 39%. It’s hard to tell whether this is because Alphabet is less white than average, less male than average, or both.

employeesfyi 5y ago
Thanks for taking the time to try it out and comment! We definitely want to make it as easy as possible to do those comparisons and understand the data. For example, adding an additional selector to further tune the comparison as you are suggesting is definitely on the list.

cyanydeez 5y ago

I love the percentile median income data from bls.gov That'd be more useful to me.

ramesh31 5y ago

So eBay has a 0.63% share of black males, or 20 in the entire company across all roles. Cool. This industry is absolutely brutal if you are not white or asian, and that's seemingly just how it's gonna be.

theduder99 5y ago
nothing brutal about it. whats the percentage of asian females working as auto mechanics in the usa? if low, why is that?
- ramesh31 5y ago
  Yeah. Know your place and all of that. Trust me, I get it. >"nothing brutal about it. whats the percentage of asian females working as auto mechanics in the usa? if low, why is that?" Because being an auto mechanic is a brutal physical job that destroys your body and pays a barely liveable wage. Something no one really wants to do regardless of gender or race. However, being a computer programmer is one of the best jobs on earth. We are paid like lawyers and coddled like children to write text files in our underwear. Everyone across the socioeconomic spectrum wants what we have. So why do only asians and whites get it?
  - wiseowise 5y ago
    > However, being a computer programmer is one of the best jobs on earth. To you, maybe. I’m going to surprise you, but just because you find X one of the best things in life and Y is worse than X to you – it doesn’t mean that X is universally better than Y for everyone. > We are paid like lawyers and coddled like children to write text files in our underwear. Because that’s what software engineering is. Uhuh. > Everyone across the socioeconomic spectrum wants what we have. And you found that where? On ad websites for every generic bootcamp?
- danamit 5y ago
  It is a brutal reality no matter how you look at it, it means there is some kind of systematic failure, and I am not talking about the companies themselves, it is societies overall. There is less asian females doing manual labour because they can get better jobs.

mbesto 5y ago

You should be another column that shows the stacked column for entire adult population (or possibly "population that is employed or seeking employment")

umeshunni 5y ago
Or population of computer science / math graduates.
employeesfyi 5y ago
Thanks for checking it out and taking the time to comment! We are considering expanding the reference column to have more options, including population and CBSA (core-based statistical area). The idea of limiting it to "population employed/seeking employment" is certainly a way to mitigate some of the challenges of providing a general population comparison.

hsavit1 5y ago

There should really be a stat for US based employees & outsourced contract workers. Accenture has lots of overseas contract workers that they pay significantly less

meowtimemania 5y ago
By overseas contract worker do you mean immigrant in the us or someone employed in a country other than the us?

b20000 5y ago

and how does this benefit workers?

wiseowise 5y ago
It doesn’t.
- b20000 5y ago
  ok then, next

myroon5 5y ago

Nice, simple feedback: I'd like to see more companies at once, ideally 5+ columns

employeesfyi 5y ago
Simple yet valuable. We will look at doing so on wider viewports!

kodah 5y ago

I would love to see veteran status on here. If you could delineate between officer and enlisted as well as campaign badge status, that'd be very revealing. I've had a tough time getting any of these stats out of my employers and we're frequently left off of DEI boards.

smt88 5y ago
What would that tell you about a company, though?
- barry-cotter 5y ago
  Is this a hostile environment for former military personnel? If you were former military personnel that might be of interest. If you're of that segment of the left that hates the military you might be looking for companies with unusually low levels for its industry of former military personnel as a sign the company would be congenial.
  - _ktx2 5y ago
    I'm mainly interested in meeting people who I share a background with, especially campaign vets. Everything changed when I got out and my life, although somewhat metaphorically in the same place as my peers, is vastly different. It's nice to talk about stress, learning, pay/finances, dealing with hierarchy, vet issues, etc with someone who can contribute a bit more than nods and sympathy. The military keeps a lot of stats about post-service folks that they show you before you get out. One is that most veterans end up in blue collar fields, which is curious by itself given how technical many jobs are (the direct skills don't translate but the mindset does). The second is the graduation rate, which is generally why I encourage companies to hire SWEs without degrees (this also has overlap with other DEI goals). I don't worry about libertarians or the far left too much. Usually those folks warm up after a while once they realize you're not Baba Yaga.
  - smt88 5y ago
    The problem is that only a small percentage of Americans are veterans in the first place, and an even smaller percentage are going to be qualified for certain industries. So if you're looking at, say, a 300-person software company, it's very possible they support veterans, want to hire veterans, and have 0 veterans on staff. (There's also a huge difference between opposing military conflicts and supporting veterans, which is evident in the equal support for the VA among Democratic and Republican voters[1]). 1. https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2021/04/05/the-changing-face-of-americas-veteran-population/ https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2021/04/05/the-changin...

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twofornone 5y ago

I came to this post looking for salary data, and imagine my shock to see that according to the first link, as of 2018 only 40% of the industry consisted of white males. Yet here we are in 2022 and the fervor to discriminate against straight white males has only intensified. Unbelievable. It's no wonder white men are increasingly dropping out of a society which has become hostile to them while ostensibly in pursuit of "equity". ESG initiatives are a crime. Figuratively and literally. Absurd that people are so willing to go along with this crap - but not entirely difficult to believe when pushback carries the risk of termination.

kaesar14 5y ago
Isn’t 40% still an overrepresentation? I’m actually with you that ESG hiring isn’t all that useful but you’re acting like 40% isn’t more than healthy domination of one of the most powerful business sectors in the world.
- twofornone 5y ago
  Is 40% a problem that needs correcting with overt, forced discrimination? Especially when the actual issue, that of the pipeline, is totally ignored when these hiring policies are dictated by activists and the investor class? And of course no one is complaining about the far greater overrepresentation of Asians. Unless it's politically expedient to claim that they're "white adjacent". There's no justification for any of this. Its pure, petty racism. We have regressed as a society.
- decremental 5y ago
  100% wouldn't be an overrepresentation if that is the percent that is most qualified for the positions. The NBA isn't diversity hiring for their players. There's an obvious reason for that. The consequences of diversity hiring are going to catch up to us eventually, assuming they haven't already.
  - twofornone 5y ago
    >The consequences of diversity hiring are going to catch up to us eventually, assuming they haven't already. Especially when one takes two seconds to actually consider the implications of these policies: if you are going to far as to acknowledge that discrimination is ok because different demographics bring different professional attributes to the table, then you are implicitly acknowledging discrimination is OK because some of these attributes are worth more than others. You can't claim that diversity of skin color == diversity of thought and pretend that the differences are only positive - that's not logically consistent. Race blindness is the optimal solution so long as humans are products of genes and culture. We were on a decent path for a few decades - now all these policies are doing is justifying a resurgence of classical racism; except the racists think they have the moral imperative because they've convinced themselves that all of their ills, past and present, are entirely the fault of evil white men (and women when convenient). This is a disgusting, dangerous game, doubly so when you're not allowed to question it.

tzury 5y ago

-- With full discretion So I see that McDonalds is far more diversed than Netflix... However, an average salary in Netflix is 5-6 times more than the one in McDonalds. Meanning, one can support more people with their salary in Netflix (or Alphabet, Meta, Apple, et al). The impact on an entire family when a single member "makes it" to the outer circles. This is something I have learned on myself when I "made it" to the tech industry, ~25 years ago. https://employees.fyi/?year=2018&job=PROFESSIONALS&reference=51&company1=Netflix&company2=McDonald%E2%80%99s https://employees.fyi/?year=2018&job=PROFESSIONALS&reference...

rougka 5y ago

I’m not American so I may have a hard time following but can someone please explain why counting people by race isn’t deeply racist? Also this echos the numerus clausus system that deeply hurt Jews in the name of ‘overrepresentation’, why does anyone think this is any different?

rectang 5y ago
Pretending to be race blind just means giving racists free rein. "I don't see race therefore no racism could have occurred."
warent 5y ago
The information is voluntary. Individuals can submit a census with their race/ethnicity as "Prefer not to specify" The data can be used to help find if people are getting proper representation, etc. Racism is rooted in superiority. This is more like, race-consciousness, which is rooted in humane treatment and empathy
- rougka 5y ago
  What is weird to me that this is a racist approach to society, racist as in believes that race is the way society is structured as opposed to for example a marxist class system and racist in its belief that fixing this should be done on a race by race basis I guess for me these statistics would be easier to digest if they were centered around poverity: e.g. How many cars did your family own, size of childhood home or something of that sort
  - taveras 5y ago
    It seems that you consider employers keeping track of employee race, ethnicity, and gender data discriminatory. Employers are required to provide this data to the U.S. Equal Employment Opportunity Commission: the federal agency charged with enforcing federal law which makes workspace discrimination illegal. This agency came to exist through the legendary Civil Rights Act of 1964, which was supported by Martin Luther King Jr., Malcolm X, along with Presidents JFK and LBJ. You'd be forgiven for not understanding American politics. But any American would be foolish to consider that race and ethnicity do not play a role in how our society is structured after over 200 years of slavery and nearly 100 years of Jim Crow. Racism has been a poison built into the structure of our country's institutions, and being race conscious is a part of the cure.