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To help you stop worrying about things that don't matter.

by dazc 5y ago

incomingpain 5y ago
>To help you stop worrying about things that don't matter. Kind of you to want to help me. I don't really do social media in general. Elon wanting to fix Twitter made me want to create an account to see if I could detect conservative censorship. No history of anything to judge me against except who I connect to and likes. This is all it takes for twitter to censor. I'm basically going to delete twitter because it's pointless for me to stay on a platform that actively censors me for no valid reason. You're wrong though to say it doesn't matter. This insidious degree of censorship skews democracy in an unhealthy way and effectively breaks understanding. Maintaining peace when understanding is broken can only be done by force temporarily. So for example, Twitter and Canadian media covered the freedom protest in Ottawa as nazi confederates looking to overthrow the government. This was utterly false. Countless international media saw this remarkable story and covered the protest only to find that it was completely false. Our PM reacted to protest as if it were nazi confederates looking to overthrow the government by using a never before used emergency act to crush a peaceful protest. He seized people's bank accounts who werent even involved beyond being a donor. After he pulled the trigger he realized the huge mistake he made and has been touring the world talking about how he supports democracy. Damage is done, I don't see how Canadian society heals from this in the current state.
- dazc 5y ago
  OK, we all know censorship is happening but I'll rephrase my comment as current twitter users don't care. You are shouting into a void, as things stand. To the specific point about Canadian society, all I will say is that I live in a country that had a Prime Minsiter called Tony Blair and despite everything he did, he is still alive and well and totally convinced that he was right about everything.
- pstuart 5y ago
  Any time I hear complaints about "the other side" being bad without recognition of failures of "their side" I can't help but dismiss that as petulance. The "freedom" protest was an anti-vax protest, no? I get the problem with being subjected to a mandated medical treatment but that's also balanced by a less than respected take on the anti-vax movement in general (IMHO being anti-science and anti-reason). And as to censorship, there's some speech which is not healthy for society and should not be promoted. How that is done is a delicate and dangerous dance but to engage on that subject without acknowledging that issue is disingenuous at best. Edit: I'll show a case of where "liberals" (a group that I would be lumped into) are wrong: cases where college students block access to speakers they disagree with. Wrong wrong wrong. My point remains that not ever admitting fault is being dishonest -- lies of omission are still lies.
  - incomingpain 5y ago
    >Any time I hear complaints about "the other side" being bad without recognition of failures of "their side" I can't help but dismiss that as petulance. My side has never been in power. Cant really have failures if you've never gotten into power. Suppose we could discuss failing to win an election but alas. >The "freedom" protest was an anti-vax protest, no? No. It was simply anti-mandates. It was highly successful in eliminating most mandates. > I get the problem with being subjected to a mandated medical treatment but that's also balanced by a less than respected take on the anti-vax movement in general (IMHO being anti-science and anti-reason). That wouldn't be a fair characterization. For 2 years there wasn't a freedom protest. When much of europe and the USA had dropped mandates, Canada had actually gone the other direction and increased restrictions. The key catalyst being a new mandate that put significant number of antivaxxers out of a job. >And as to censorship, there's some speech which is not healthy for society and should not be promoted. How that is done is a delicate and dangerous dance but to engage on that subject without acknowledging that issue is disingenuous at best. If twitter quietly banned every tweet that just says racial slurs for example. Nobody would ever hear about it, if someone shows me they got banned because they said nothing but a racial slur. I would ignore them. In fact all the twitter alternatives do filter racial slurs and such. There is no 'not healthy for society' That's not what I showed is happening. I never said racial slurs. In fact I never said anything wrong at all. It is by mere association that I am punished. This is intentionally done.
    - pstuart 5y ago
      I'm puzzled by your responses and would like to engage further but can't until later. My interest in the dialog is not to prove you wrong, but to try to see if some consensus can be found. It feels like a fool's errand but nothing ventured, nothing gained.
      - moistly 5y ago
        Best of luck, ‘cause you might as well be looking for honest reflection in a funhouse hall of mirrors.
  - 5y ago
- moistly 5y ago
  > Canadian media covered the freedom protest in Ottawa as nazi confederates looking to overthrow the government. This was utterly false. You grossly exaggerate throughout your post. You are behaving exactly in the way that has discredited the protests. Quit shooting yourself in the foot like a damn fool! Report honestly, and you’ll find that people will grant you more credibility.
  - incomingpain 5y ago
    >You grossly exaggerate throughout your post. Not exaggerated though is it: https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/trudeau-conservative-swastikas-1.6354970 https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/trudeau-conservative-swasti... Lantsman used Trudeau's words against him. "Conservative Party members can stand with people who wave swastikas. They can stand with people who wave the Confederate flag," he said This is Trudeau himself saying it, I am not exaggerating anything at all. My comment being 'canadian media' who absolutely covered it much more. Canadian media absolutely covered it exactly how I said. https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2022/02/07/nazi-flag-at-freedom-convoy-sparks-bill-to-ban-hateful-symbols-but-enforcement-is-seen-as-tricky.html https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2022/02/07/nazi-flag-at-... There was a grand total of 1 nazi flag and nobody ever positively connected it to the protest. The guardian may have tracked it down and they asserted that the flag was alleging that Trudeau is the nazi. Not that the flag holder themselves were nazis. I dont know if that is true or not. which hey, bill maher commented on Trudeau. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6i72czkSUsM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6i72czkSUsM To note, bill maher made this comment BEFORE he crushed the protest using force. >You are behaving exactly in the way that has discredited the protests. On the contrary. The protests never got discredited. They got smeared by the media. https://nationalpost.com/opinion/rupa-subramanya-freedom-convoy-dismantles-stereotypes-about-who-is-opposed-to-vaccine-mandates https://nationalpost.com/opinion/rupa-subramanya-freedom-con... One Indo-Canadian trucker, Kamal Pannu from Montreal, I spoke to, was bemused that the protestors were being bracketed as white supremacists when so many of them including he himself are ethnic minorities and people of colour. > Quit shooting yourself in the foot like a damn fool! Report honestly, and you’ll find that people will grant you more credibility. Here's an interesting reality. https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronavirus/to-tackle-vaccine-hesitancy-canada-can-t-ignore-race-racism-health-experts-1.5234212 https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronavirus/to-tackle-vaccine-... Antivaxxers tend to be racial minorities. Why do indigenous and black canadians not get vaccinated? I dont know. Why did the Federal government jump immediately to calling the protest a bunch of nazis when the protest was disproportionately not white. I think mainly your comment is interesting. I wasn't really intending to get into the freedom protest. It was offtopic and just a lite comment.

To help you stop worrying about things that don't matter.

by dazc 5y ago

To help you stop worrying about things that don't matter.

>To help you stop worrying about things that don't matter. Kind of you to want to help me. I don't really do social media in general. Elon wanting to fix Twitter made me want to create an account to see if I could detect conservative censorship. No history of anything to judge me against except who I connect to and likes. This is all it takes for twitter to censor. I'm basically going to delete twitter because it's pointless for me to stay on a platform that actively censors me for no valid reason. You're wrong though to say it doesn't matter. This insidious degree of censorship skews democracy in an unhealthy way and effectively breaks understanding. Maintaining peace when understanding is broken can only be done by force temporarily. So for example, Twitter and Canadian media covered the freedom protest in Ottawa as nazi confederates looking to overthrow the government. This was utterly false. Countless international media saw this remarkable story and covered the protest only to find that it was completely false. Our PM reacted to protest as if it were nazi confederates looking to overthrow the government by using a never before used emergency act to crush a peaceful protest. He seized people's bank accounts who werent even involved beyond being a donor. After he pulled the trigger he realized the huge mistake he made and has been touring the world talking about how he supports democracy. Damage is done, I don't see how Canadian society heals from this in the current state.

dazc 5y ago
OK, we all know censorship is happening but I'll rephrase my comment as current twitter users don't care. You are shouting into a void, as things stand. To the specific point about Canadian society, all I will say is that I live in a country that had a Prime Minsiter called Tony Blair and despite everything he did, he is still alive and well and totally convinced that he was right about everything.
pstuart 5y ago
Any time I hear complaints about "the other side" being bad without recognition of failures of "their side" I can't help but dismiss that as petulance. The "freedom" protest was an anti-vax protest, no? I get the problem with being subjected to a mandated medical treatment but that's also balanced by a less than respected take on the anti-vax movement in general (IMHO being anti-science and anti-reason). And as to censorship, there's some speech which is not healthy for society and should not be promoted. How that is done is a delicate and dangerous dance but to engage on that subject without acknowledging that issue is disingenuous at best. Edit: I'll show a case of where "liberals" (a group that I would be lumped into) are wrong: cases where college students block access to speakers they disagree with. Wrong wrong wrong. My point remains that not ever admitting fault is being dishonest -- lies of omission are still lies.
- incomingpain 5y ago
  >Any time I hear complaints about "the other side" being bad without recognition of failures of "their side" I can't help but dismiss that as petulance. My side has never been in power. Cant really have failures if you've never gotten into power. Suppose we could discuss failing to win an election but alas. >The "freedom" protest was an anti-vax protest, no? No. It was simply anti-mandates. It was highly successful in eliminating most mandates. > I get the problem with being subjected to a mandated medical treatment but that's also balanced by a less than respected take on the anti-vax movement in general (IMHO being anti-science and anti-reason). That wouldn't be a fair characterization. For 2 years there wasn't a freedom protest. When much of europe and the USA had dropped mandates, Canada had actually gone the other direction and increased restrictions. The key catalyst being a new mandate that put significant number of antivaxxers out of a job. >And as to censorship, there's some speech which is not healthy for society and should not be promoted. How that is done is a delicate and dangerous dance but to engage on that subject without acknowledging that issue is disingenuous at best. If twitter quietly banned every tweet that just says racial slurs for example. Nobody would ever hear about it, if someone shows me they got banned because they said nothing but a racial slur. I would ignore them. In fact all the twitter alternatives do filter racial slurs and such. There is no 'not healthy for society' That's not what I showed is happening. I never said racial slurs. In fact I never said anything wrong at all. It is by mere association that I am punished. This is intentionally done.
  - pstuart 5y ago
    I'm puzzled by your responses and would like to engage further but can't until later. My interest in the dialog is not to prove you wrong, but to try to see if some consensus can be found. It feels like a fool's errand but nothing ventured, nothing gained.
    - moistly 5y ago
      Best of luck, ‘cause you might as well be looking for honest reflection in a funhouse hall of mirrors.
- 5y ago
moistly 5y ago
> Canadian media covered the freedom protest in Ottawa as nazi confederates looking to overthrow the government. This was utterly false. You grossly exaggerate throughout your post. You are behaving exactly in the way that has discredited the protests. Quit shooting yourself in the foot like a damn fool! Report honestly, and you’ll find that people will grant you more credibility.
- incomingpain 5y ago
  >You grossly exaggerate throughout your post. Not exaggerated though is it: https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/trudeau-conservative-swastikas-1.6354970 https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/trudeau-conservative-swasti... Lantsman used Trudeau's words against him. "Conservative Party members can stand with people who wave swastikas. They can stand with people who wave the Confederate flag," he said This is Trudeau himself saying it, I am not exaggerating anything at all. My comment being 'canadian media' who absolutely covered it much more. Canadian media absolutely covered it exactly how I said. https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2022/02/07/nazi-flag-at-freedom-convoy-sparks-bill-to-ban-hateful-symbols-but-enforcement-is-seen-as-tricky.html https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2022/02/07/nazi-flag-at-... There was a grand total of 1 nazi flag and nobody ever positively connected it to the protest. The guardian may have tracked it down and they asserted that the flag was alleging that Trudeau is the nazi. Not that the flag holder themselves were nazis. I dont know if that is true or not. which hey, bill maher commented on Trudeau. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6i72czkSUsM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6i72czkSUsM To note, bill maher made this comment BEFORE he crushed the protest using force. >You are behaving exactly in the way that has discredited the protests. On the contrary. The protests never got discredited. They got smeared by the media. https://nationalpost.com/opinion/rupa-subramanya-freedom-convoy-dismantles-stereotypes-about-who-is-opposed-to-vaccine-mandates https://nationalpost.com/opinion/rupa-subramanya-freedom-con... One Indo-Canadian trucker, Kamal Pannu from Montreal, I spoke to, was bemused that the protestors were being bracketed as white supremacists when so many of them including he himself are ethnic minorities and people of colour. > Quit shooting yourself in the foot like a damn fool! Report honestly, and you’ll find that people will grant you more credibility. Here's an interesting reality. https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronavirus/to-tackle-vaccine-hesitancy-canada-can-t-ignore-race-racism-health-experts-1.5234212 https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronavirus/to-tackle-vaccine-... Antivaxxers tend to be racial minorities. Why do indigenous and black canadians not get vaccinated? I dont know. Why did the Federal government jump immediately to calling the protest a bunch of nazis when the protest was disproportionately not white. I think mainly your comment is interesting. I wasn't really intending to get into the freedom protest. It was offtopic and just a lite comment.