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Wow this author is so wrong it hurts.... "Star Trek and its ilk are approaching the dramatic stage from the opposite direction: the situation is irrelevant, it
by dumpsterlid 4y ago
Wow this author is so wrong it hurts....
"Star Trek and its ilk are approaching the dramatic stage from the opposite direction: the situation is irrelevant, it's background for a story which is all about the interpersonal relationships among the cast. You could strip out the 25th century tech in Star Trek and replace it with 18th century tech — make the Enterprise a man o'war (with a particularly eccentric crew) at large upon the seven seas during the age of sail — without changing the scripts significantly."
This is the central lesson of humanity, it is the core nut of storytelling and why when we tell stories it brings us together. It doesn't matter if humans are sailing around in 18th century sailing ships (also a show about a man o'war would be unlike star trek, it would have to be about a frigate) or warping around in starships, the human condition is universal and the backdrop is always just that, a backdrop. This is really the origin point of empathy from an intellectual standpoint and why experiencing fiction can help you become more empathetic and emotionally intelligent.
"The scriptwriters and producers have thrown away the key tool that makes SF interesting and useful in the first place, by relegating "tech" to a token afterthought rather than an integral part of plot and characterization."
The reason scifi writing so often sucks is that many scifi writers think this way. I also think part of the reason silicon valley, techbro culture can be so toxic and short sighted is because these people grew up reading scifi writers that think this way. They put this near religious power in technology to utterly transcend societal realities and simplify messy human problems into abstracted tech problems while unconsciously fawning over dystopian futures just because they have hovercars. It is a tragic failure of storytelling that we told children stories that encouraged them to see the world this way.
If you want to predict the future, to predict what humans will be like in far different circumstances, focusing on your invariably terrible prediction of how tech will change is the worst basis since you are probably going to be terribly wrong. If instead you focus on the ways in which humanity will always be humanity than your scifi writing will reach far into the future and will resist becoming dated no matter how absurd your technological predictions look in retrospect.
Also focusing on technology in scifi in the way so many scifi writers do participates in a process of othering ourselves from other humans in imagined futures and different present realities. If we tell stories about the future that overly focus on the different tools and resources the humans in those stories have, we inveitably send the message that having those tools and resources (or not having them) makes these humans fundamentally different than us, and that is an awful, misguided use of storytelling. It is akin to the way fantasy sometimes creates a sentient species (usually green skinned people like orcs) and just labels them "evil" and doesn't examine that any further.
These reasons are why Ray Bradbury is both one of the best scifi writers of all time and also barely a scifi writer. It is also one of the reasons that as wildly inconsistent as Star Trek's writing is, as silly as some of the tech is, and as much as rick berman was unfortunately a part of so much of Star Trek, Star Trek is by far and away the best scifi tv/movie series ever made and it isn't even close.
- PaulDavisThe1st 4y agoGood response. But incorrect, I think. While it is true that "the human story" does endure (c.f. Shakespeare, Beowulf, 1001 nights et al.), there is nearly always a context that affects how the characters behave. Even though both the best and the worst of human behavior may never change, the range of possible actions, and their side-effects and implications, change accordingly to the technological context. Consider a world where technology allows you travel around the planet in minutes. How does this affect the relationship between place and human activity? When you can have lunch in Paris even in you work in Tokyo, what does that mean? How does it affect the notion of communities, and in turn, child-rearing? [0] Yes, even with that far-fetched scenario, humans will still be humans. There will be jealousy, love, murder, greed, tenderness etc. etc. But that still leaves plenty of scope for people's actions and choices to differ dramatically, even if they are driven by the same old emotions and allegiances. That's what make sci-fi interesting: what would you do if <X> was possible? what would you do if <Y> was now impossible? Stross' objections to ST are really along the lines that these questions are meaningless in the sense that the characters' actions are essentially identical to what they would be in a time with totally different technology. Nothing about the sci-fi setting has any real impact on what choices they make. I might not agree with this entirely (transporter beams do open up some possibilities that would otherwise be unavailable), but I think Stross has a point that there's really no sense to sci-fi if it's literally just a retelling of an existing story with the tech doing the tech-tech tech thing. [0] the Terra Ignota series by Ada Palmer
- dumpsterlid 4y ago"Stross' objections to ST are really along the lines that these questions are meaningless in the sense that the characters' actions are essentially identical to what they would be in a time with totally different technology." They aren't though? Like what about Data?? There is a fundamental issue with the logic here that Stross is equating not explaining future tech in a believable, consistent way with characters not being meaningfully changed by the technology. Fantasy could not exist as a genre if one equalled the other.
- ozim 4y ago