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You won't find many "cam girls" from the wealthy western countries. Which tells you everything you need to know about this kind of dirty work.
by wheelerof4te 5y ago
You won't find many "cam girls" from the wealthy western countries.
Which tells you everything you need to know about this kind of dirty work.
- sumthinprofound 5y agoMoral judgement aside, what makes this "dirty work" in your estimation?
- Spooky23 5y agoIt’s a soul crushing job over time. Feeding the lizard brain of guys jerking off to whatever instructions you get gets old, and the money is usually just good enough to keep people around.
- glogla 5y ago> It’s a soul crushing job over time. As opposed to waiting tables, selling finance products, working to deny people insurance coverage programming on surveillance on websites, working in retail, nursing, or any other activity where you're working hard barely scraping so some rich guy can buy 37th private jet? Most jobs are soul crushing. Why single out camgirls?
- mistrial9 5y agobecause -- for many humans, actual sex is intimate and touches the "soul" much more than those other activities. Repeated defense of ugly and abusive sex comes from a vocal minority on the Internet
- glogla 5y agoYes, that is what I was expecting. The anti-sex people claim they are interesting in stopping exploitation or whatever, but in the end it is about regulating other people's sex lives and pushing their morality on them.
- emptysongglass 5y agoRead my other comment but this is honestly a weird take conflating a broader puritan anti-sex pattern with pushback on sex work. It is not a wholly positive thing. There are advantages (remote work from anywhere, etc.) but it doesn't do any favors to the actual people doing this to place sex work on a pedestal.
- bccdee 5y agoHow is taking nude photos of yourself "ugly and abusive sex"? I feel like you're regurgitating stale anti-porn talking points rather than actually engaging with the topic at hand. A cam girl is her own boss, picks her own hours, works from home, sets her own boundaries as to what she's comfortable doing, and does not have to be involved in any office politics. All of the things which normally put the "soul-crushing" in "soul-crushing job" are absent. It's a great deal for a lot of people. I find your appeal to spirituality shallow and unconvincing, especially given that lots of people engage in casual sex and don't end up with their souls crushed.
- emptysongglass 5y agoBecause it really is a psychological mindfuck in a way those other professions aren't. My wife is a former camgirl. After six years of it, she was a mess. I was very pro sex-work before I met her, even during our first year or two together then she started needing therapy and then I just offered to support her because watching your wife's mental health deteroriate every day was pretty rough. I know the kind of people who frequent HN are very pro sex work but there is another side of it that is hushed or pushed aside and that is former sex workers speaking out. It is psychologically punishing to turn yourself into a sex object, repeatedly in front of the unslaking thirst of thousands. It changes how you view men, it changes how you view your own body, it changes how you value this "thing" out from which you peer.
- scarface74 5y agoWhat’s the alternative? Give government more power to tell people what they can an can’t do?
- emptysongglass 5y agoProbably reducing wealth inequality, offering free education and health care would be a good start but I am neither a sociologist or political theorist.
- sacrosancty 5y agoPeople in poor countries working for people in rich countries is how wealth is equalized. That's how developing countries develop and how developed countries stagnate. So the existence of an international market for this is probably already part of the solution. After they have enough wealth, they can give themselves free healthcare and education without being a basket case forever depending on foreign charity.
- emptysongglass 5y agoYour argument is orthogonal to free healthcare and education being offered by the state. You don't need to be an immigrant to be poor in your country of birth, such as the US.
- Spooky23 5y agoLeave the straw man alone. I was responding to a specific question, “what makes this dirty work” and specifically made no moral judgement or assertions. Obviously, there’s a chip on your shoulder about the topic. Camgirls have a shitty job and aren’t nurses. That doesn’t mean that camming is uniquely shitty or that it’s some sort of act of personal liberation.
- wheelerof4te 5y agoThe obvious danger of injury or infection. Plus, sex is just a dirty thing. You have to keep clean and shower a lot. Monitor your health more. That kind of stuff.
- lupire 5y agoWhat, like a virus? Or a Trojan?
- bccdee 5y agoHow exactly is a person going to injure themselves by getting naked on camera? Oh, maybe they'll get hypothermia from the chilly air in their bedroom! I genuinely have no idea what you're talking about. Wouldn't be especially dirty either — nothing a few tissues couldn't wipe away, frankly, not as a solo performer. You get dirtier than that just by using the bathroom. So, again — how is it "dirty work"?
- eggsmediumrare 5y agoWhat is your point exactly?
- wheelerof4te 5y agoErr, that western girls are not so desperate to sell their body for a living?
- Hates_ 5y agoYou seem to be forgetting the porn industry if filled with women from Western countries. Not to mention the large number of US, Canadian, British and Australisn creators on OnlyFans.
- emptysongglass 5y agoActually, for Western countries with very high wealth equality such as the Nordics you really see comparatively few. The US in particular has very high wealth inequality and a lot of performers.
- Nasrudith 5y agoFun fact: Denmark was an early pioneer in legalizing porn and in its production credited with the US "Golden Age of Porn" between 1969 and 1984. There are many more variables to look at.
- emptysongglass 5y agoI think most Danes are aware of our history here. Trailblazing porn because we as a country (and more broadly Scandinavia) were interested in the outer limits of free expression has almost nothing to do with the problems I've highlighted and even less to do with the number of people entering the industry. Two eras portraying pornography is about as much as you can say is similar between then and now. For more on the kinds of films Denmark was producing, have a read of this article [1] by Jack Stevenson who used to hold little events of porno history at a local art theater here in Copenhagen. [1] https://brightlightsfilm.com/porno-to-the-people-the-danish-revolution-that-liberated-america/ https://brightlightsfilm.com/porno-to-the-people-the-danish-...
- alm1 5y agoI hope you can explain your point more. Coincidentally you won't find many nannies from the wealthy western countries. Which doesn't tell me very little about this kind of work. But maybe it does to you.
- wheelerof4te 5y agoNo nannies = less children born. Which is easy to figure out once you realize how outdated marriage has become in the West. Everything is done for the money, kids are an afterthought.
- sumedh 5y ago> Coincidentally you won't find many nannies from the wealthy western countries Probably because they can find other work which pays more while non western nannies do the job because they cant find other work due to their English language issues.
- glogla 5y agoIsn't there a huge support on HN for living in low cost area while working high pay remote job? How is being a camgirl different?
- lupire 5y ago"Support on HN" isn't a factor in anyone's life choices.