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If you're paying users to scrape, how do you ensure that they are indeed scraping and not just making up spam? You've got a catch-22 here - you need people to s

If you're paying users to scrape, how do you ensure that they are indeed scraping and not just making up spam? You've got a catch-22 here - you need people to scrape but at the same time you need an authoritative source of the scraped data to ensure people aren't cheating, but then if you've got that source then you don't need those people to begin with. Interaction with the real-world (outside the blockchain) is where the vast majority of these bullshitchain projects fall apart.

flotzam 5y ago
> how do you ensure that they are indeed scraping and not just making up spam? For TLS 1.1 (and supposedly "TLS 1.2+" since https://github.com/tlsnotary/PageSigner/commit/4e12573 https://github.com/tlsnotary/PageSigner/commit/4e12573): https://tlsnotary.org/pagesigner https://tlsnotary.org/pagesigner For TLS 1.3 there's also TLS-N from https://eprint.iacr.org/2017/578.pdf https://eprint.iacr.org/2017/578.pdf but it requires a cooperating server: "TLS-N generates non-interactive proofs about the content of a TLS session that can be efficiently verified by third parties and blockchain based smart contracts. As such, TLS-N increases the accountability for content provided on the web and enables a practical and decentralized blockchain oracle for web content. TLS-N is compatible with TLS 1.3 and adds a minor overhead to a typical TLS session. When a proof is generated, parts of the TLS session (e.g., passwords, cookies) can be hidden for privacy reasons, while the remaining content can be verified."
- jmull 5y ago
  You could bypass this kind of verification by routing your spam through Twitter. Send spam to twitter, scrape spam from Twitter for twitcoin.
  - lawl 5y ago
    If your plan is to scrape all of twitter, the question is if that matters among the years of existing spam. Probably not. If it does start to matter it should start becoming an issue for twitter too and they'd probably have to deal with it.
krisoft 5y ago
> If you're paying users to scrape, how do you ensure that they are indeed scraping and not just making up spam? Ironically the fact that they are paying 10x for original "tweets" posted through their interface makes it so that nobody who can think would try fake scraping. You are 10x better of just blasting your crap directly at their interface as "original" "content". :)
t_mann 5y ago
But why is the scraping so crucial? The history is probably less important to most users than the reach of their posts, so the mirroring on Twitter seems more crucial (Twitter could probably prevent that if they wished, though).

flotzam 5y ago

> how do you ensure that they are indeed scraping and not just making up spam? For TLS 1.1 (and supposedly "TLS 1.2+" since https://github.com/tlsnotary/PageSigner/commit/4e12573 https://github.com/tlsnotary/PageSigner/commit/4e12573): https://tlsnotary.org/pagesigner https://tlsnotary.org/pagesigner For TLS 1.3 there's also TLS-N from https://eprint.iacr.org/2017/578.pdf https://eprint.iacr.org/2017/578.pdf but it requires a cooperating server: "TLS-N generates non-interactive proofs about the content of a TLS session that can be efficiently verified by third parties and blockchain based smart contracts. As such, TLS-N increases the accountability for content provided on the web and enables a practical and decentralized blockchain oracle for web content. TLS-N is compatible with TLS 1.3 and adds a minor overhead to a typical TLS session. When a proof is generated, parts of the TLS session (e.g., passwords, cookies) can be hidden for privacy reasons, while the remaining content can be verified."

jmull 5y ago
You could bypass this kind of verification by routing your spam through Twitter. Send spam to twitter, scrape spam from Twitter for twitcoin.
- lawl 5y ago
  If your plan is to scrape all of twitter, the question is if that matters among the years of existing spam. Probably not. If it does start to matter it should start becoming an issue for twitter too and they'd probably have to deal with it.

krisoft 5y ago

> If you're paying users to scrape, how do you ensure that they are indeed scraping and not just making up spam? Ironically the fact that they are paying 10x for original "tweets" posted through their interface makes it so that nobody who can think would try fake scraping. You are 10x better of just blasting your crap directly at their interface as "original" "content". :)

t_mann 5y ago

But why is the scraping so crucial? The history is probably less important to most users than the reach of their posts, so the mirroring on Twitter seems more crucial (Twitter could probably prevent that if they wished, though).